Ferrari F138

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I noticed that we didn'r run the low downforce rear wing. I also noticed that in FP2, Massa was complaining of Oversteer with it. RBR did run their low downforce rear wing. That suggests that RBR are getting more downforce from their diffuser. We also know that the diffuser is more efficient at creating downforce than the rear wing and so in the end is that why RBR had more pace?

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diffuser wrote:I noticed that we didn'r run the low downforce rear wing. I also noticed that in FP2, Massa was complaining of Oversteer with it. RBR did run their low downforce rear wing. That suggests that RBR are getting more downforce from their diffuser. We also know that the diffuser is more efficient at creating downforce than the rear wing and so in the end is that why RBR had more pace?
RBR running a 'smaller' rear wing has been the trend at most of the circuits this year, not just Spa. They appear to get a higher percentage of total downforce from the floor/diffuser than any other team. I think this is one reason they often struggle at Monza, as they can't cut the downforce/drag produced by the floor and end up with to low a top speed. But at the other 18 circuits they have the advantage.

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f300v10 wrote:
diffuser wrote:I noticed that we didn'r run the low downforce rear wing. I also noticed that in FP2, Massa was complaining of Oversteer with it. RBR did run their low downforce rear wing. That suggests that RBR are getting more downforce from their diffuser. We also know that the diffuser is more efficient at creating downforce than the rear wing and so in the end is that why RBR had more pace?
RBR running a 'smaller' rear wing has been the trend at most of the circuits this year, not just Spa. They appear to get a higher percentage of total downforce from the floor/diffuser than any other team. I think this is one reason they often struggle at Monza, as they can't cut the downforce/drag produced by the floor and end up with to low a top speed. But at the other 18 circuits they have the advantage.

Point this year is that they can get good top speed tho even when getting DF from floor, just see at Spa.

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Huntresa wrote: Point this year is that they can get good top speed tho even when getting DF from floor, just see at Spa.
That was on top of Eau Rouge, not at the end of the straight..
I think Red Bull is still using shorter gears for faster acceleration.
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el-Magico wrote:
Huntresa wrote: Point this year is that they can get good top speed tho even when getting DF from floor, just see at Spa.
That was on top of Eau Rouge, not at the end of the straight..
I think Red Bull is still using shorter gears for faster acceleration.

That's really cool info, does it have something to do with the ferrari?

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el-Magico wrote:
Huntresa wrote: Point this year is that they can get good top speed tho even when getting DF from floor, just see at Spa.
That was on top of Eau Rouge, not at the end of the straight..
I think Red Bull is still using shorter gears for faster acceleration.
So the speed at the top of Eau Rogue is scrubbed of in a straight line or ? Just go get some onboard footage with speedo and we shall see.

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Huntresa wrote: So the speed at the top of Eau Rouge is scrubbed of in a straight line or ? Just go get some onboard footage with speedo and we shall see.
RB was fastest through the speed trap, but the speed trap is not at the end of the straight, but on top of Eau Rouge.
If this is too much offtopic, than please forgive me..
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Can someone tell me if the average dif between Vettel's RB and Alonso's F138?
Also, can someone write the updates F138 had in the race?

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Huntresa wrote:
f300v10 wrote:
diffuser wrote:I noticed that we didn'r run the low downforce rear wing. I also noticed that in FP2, Massa was complaining of Oversteer with it. RBR did run their low downforce rear wing. That suggests that RBR are getting more downforce from their diffuser. We also know that the diffuser is more efficient at creating downforce than the rear wing and so in the end is that why RBR had more pace?
RBR running a 'smaller' rear wing has been the trend at most of the circuits this year, not just Spa. They appear to get a higher percentage of total downforce from the floor/diffuser than any other team. I think this is one reason they often struggle at Monza, as they can't cut the downforce/drag produced by the floor and end up with to low a top speed. But at the other 18 circuits they have the advantage.

Point this year is that they can get good top speed tho even when getting DF from floor, just see at Spa.


SPA is a Medium Downforce Track, Monza is a low downforce ...as is Montreal.

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nice info but we are meant to be talking about the Ferrari F138, not redbull, guys
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el-Magico wrote:
Huntresa wrote: Point this year is that they can get good top speed tho even when getting DF from floor, just see at Spa.
That was on top of Eau Rouge, not at the end of the straight..
I think Red Bull is still using shorter gears for faster acceleration.

Dude! Go to http://www.formula1.com/races/in_detail/ choose the track, they tell you what the average speed is of a corner. Read analysis of the track before the GP. They explain the track. After qualifying (if you're not using anything else while watching, I use F1LT) go to http://www.formula1.com/results/season/ ... _trap.html. It's not an exact thing but it gives you an idea. You can see that Vettel is 3ird at the speed trap, if you look at previous races, he's usually near the bottom.

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this should go on the red bull forum
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Errrr...F138 Alonso is 294.6 km/h, F138 Massa 291.5 km/h.

You are not gonna tell us that the max speed of Ferrari was at 300 km/h in Spa? I think they were well around 310 km/h at the end of Kemmel or before last chicane....
Even Poleman Ham got 305km/h in the wet.

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Speed trap speed is not neccessarily THE top speed of the track.
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SchumacherM wrote:Speed trap speed is not neccessarily THE top speed of the track.
Especially at Spa.