2013 Chinese GP - Shanghai

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godlameroso wrote:
Believe it or not when the cars are heavy with fuel is when they're at their most gentle on tires.
In fact I don't believe it at all...

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godlameroso wrote:Believe it or not when the cars are heavy with fuel is when they're at their most gentle on tires.
Which is why the stints get shorter as the race proceeds... because they damage the tyres more at the end... Wait, no, that's not right. :twisted:

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ForzaFer wrote:With 1.5 s difference between compounds does anyone think OOPP strategy is winning?
Soft 8 laps
Soft 10 laps
Medium 18 laps
Medium 20 laps

doing some f1-fantasy I will say OPPO or, more conservatively, OPOP...that's because it's better to use soft with lighter car but, if you don't have really robust data on their degradation, the last stint is dangerous...they MUST last till the end, while in another stint at the very first degradation sign you can pit...so if you use them in the last stint you have to go for a very shrt stint to be safe (but in this way maybe you are safe but not so time effcient...)

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Helmut, yes, whatever. Next question. :lol: =D>

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13 laps on the soft and it literally disintegrated on the Mcl..

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motobaleno wrote:
ForzaFer wrote:With 1.5 s difference between compounds does anyone think OOPP strategy is winning?
Soft 8 laps
Soft 10 laps
Medium 18 laps
Medium 20 laps

doing some f1-fantasy I will say OPPO or, more conservatively, OPOP...that's because it's better to use soft with lighter car but, if you don't have really robust data on their degradation, the last stint is dangerous...they MUST last till the end, while in another stint at the very first degradation sign you can pit...so if you use them in the last stint you have to go for a very shrt stint to be safe (but in this way maybe you are safe but not so time effcient...)
Soft for 4 - 5 laps, three sets of mediums the rest of the way (14 laps on new, 18 laps on new, 20 laps on tyres used in q1).

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Qualifying will be interesting per usual.. I imagine preserving (low laps) the softs during quali will prove invaluable for that opening stint come race time.

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beelsebob wrote:
godlameroso wrote:Believe it or not when the cars are heavy with fuel is when they're at their most gentle on tires.
Which is why the stints get shorter as the race proceeds... because they damage the tyres more at the end... Wait, no, that's not right. :twisted:
The length of the stint doesn't go up as the fuel goes down though. If what you are saying is true then Sutil should have won in Australia, but in fact his stint on the super soft tires had more degradation than everyone else that started on the super soft. So explain that to me.
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godlameroso wrote:
beelsebob wrote:
godlameroso wrote:Believe it or not when the cars are heavy with fuel is when they're at their most gentle on tires.
Which is why the stints get shorter as the race proceeds... because they damage the tyres more at the end... Wait, no, that's not right. :twisted:
The length of the stint doesn't go up as the fuel goes down though.
Yes, yes it does. The length of the final stint is typically about 25% longer than the teams can manage on a full load on the same tyres.
If what you are saying is true then Sutil should have won in Australia, but in fact his stint on the super soft tires had more degradation than everyone else that started on the super soft. So explain that to me.
He didn't have more deg than everyone who started on the super soft – he had less deg than Paul DiResta had on the super soft; but also had more deg than Paul DiResta on the mediums (as DiResta ended on the mediums and he started on them). The reason he didn't win was because the Force India was terrible on the options. Note that DiResta and Sutil had basically the exact same race times (DiResta margionally faster if you remove the influence of the team order at the end).

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ForzaFer wrote:With 1.5 s difference between compounds does anyone think OOPP strategy is winning?
Soft 8 laps
Soft 10 laps
Medium 18 laps
Medium 20 laps
I think most team will got for OPPO instead, With lighter fuel load towards the end, the soft might be able to last longer.

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khaliweed wrote:
Unc1e_M0nty wrote:
godlameroso wrote:After the two fp sessions, I figure a 3 stopper for most teams. 8-10 laps on the option, and 15-18 laps on the prime. For a two stopper to work you have to do 12 laps on the opt and two 22 lap stints.
I doubt they'll get 8-10 race laps out of the soft tyres after they've done 2 or 3 qually laps as well, I'm thinking more like 5 to 7 laps if that.

Lewis did a 27 lap run on the medium, i think merc & lotus are looking at a 2 stop.

The front runners have to quallify and start on the soft, anyone on mediums is going to get jumped at the start then bogged down behind traffic.

Obviously they will qualify on the Soft tyres. Meaning they will start the race on the soft tyres(If I am not wrong). On the soft tyres, they cant do more than 10 laps. This leaves them with 46 laps to do on the medium. Hence 2 more stops. IMO, a 2 stop will not win you a race this weekend.
1st stint - 10 laps on SOFTS
2nd Stint - 23 laps on MEDIUM
3rd stint - 23 laps on MEDIUM.

I think Merc are trying to get rid of the Soft tyres as fast as possible and concentrate on the rest of the Race with the Medium. Thats why HAM did that 27 lap stint. #just thinking
I don't think he did 27 laps on medium as Autosport live was suggested.
According to FIA records he did only 17 laps : http://184.106.145.74/f1-championship/f ... 0Times.pdf

Another issue is that I think it's a kind of deja vu like Melbourne last month, taking in account the weather and most of all the tyre situation ...
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Wow. That Red Bull is nowhere in single lap pace at the moment. A second off the (admittedly flying) Ferraris
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