FRIC Could Be Banned As Soon As Germany

[FoxHound]

Plausible though

[Webber2011]

I've read a bit about how this might effect certain teams, and the general consensus seems to be it won't change the pecking order at the top much, if at all.

So I've been wondering about the drivers themselves, and who might suffer ?
Someone like Seb', who's widely believed to be struggling under braking and turn in for example.

Is this likely to compound his issues ?

[Harsha]

I've read a bit about how this might effect certain teams, and the general consensus seems to be it won't change the pecking order at the top much, if at all.

So I've been wondering about the drivers themselves, and who might suffer ?
Someone like Seb', who's widely believed to be struggling under braking and turn in for example.

Is this likely to compound his issues ?

I think he said his issue is with Engine more than suspension the Downshift is making his breaking worse, but who knows might be Rosberg also struggle if FRIC makes car less balanced and Kimi is another who was really struggling with setup,
these are likely on top of my head now

[Webber2011]

I've read a bit about how this might effect certain teams, and the general consensus seems to be it won't change the pecking order at the top much, if at all.

So I've been wondering about the drivers themselves, and who might suffer ?
Someone like Seb', who's widely believed to be struggling under braking and turn in for example.

Is this likely to compound his issues ?

I think he said his issue is with Engine more than suspension the Downshift is making his breaking worse, but who knows might be Rosberg also struggle if FRIC makes car less balanced and Kimi is another who was really struggling with setup,
these are likely on top of my head now

Yeah, Kimi was another one that came to mind.

I guess there will be some drivers who benefit by having FRIC removed as well.
Lewis seemed to take a long time to come to terms with it, as he said it felt unnatural, or words to that effect.

[Harsha]

I've read a bit about how this might effect certain teams, and the general consensus seems to be it won't change the pecking order at the top much, if at all.

So I've been wondering about the drivers themselves, and who might suffer ?
Someone like Seb', who's widely believed to be struggling under braking and turn in for example.

Is this likely to compound his issues ?

I think he said his issue is with Engine more than suspension the Downshift is making his breaking worse, but who knows might be Rosberg also struggle if FRIC makes car less balanced and Kimi is another who was really struggling with setup,
these are likely on top of my head now

Yeah, Kimi was another one that came to mind.

I guess there will be some drivers who benefit by having FRIC removed as well.
Lewis seemed to take a long time to come to terms with it, as he said it felt unnatural, or words to that effect.

I think Lewis will go faster with out that and Nico will struggle for some time, but hey this is 2014 lot of unexpected things happened so far so who knows if tables really turned opposite

[Kingshark]

FIA clears the air around FRIC

http://www.f1technical.net/news/19482?s ... 7b8a2a3c4a

[Harsha]

FIA clears the air around FRIC

http://www.f1technical.net/news/19482?s ... 7b8a2a3c4a

Correct me if i'm wrong.
If the 4 teams didn't agree before next Friday do that means all the teams need to run with out FRIC?

[DaveW]

FIA clears the air around FRIC

http://www.f1technical.net/news/19482?s ... 7b8a2a3c4a

How ridiculous. Specifically, this:

FIA then collected information from each team how their system work and which effect it has on the overall performance. The system is mechanical and should try and help the car to maintain the ride-height. It is understood a technical chief conceded it served only aerodynamical purpose which is clearly in contradiction to the technical rules which prohibit moveable aerodynamical components.

The "technical chief" quoted might be a chief, but he is not technical (in my view).

Without FRIC: Maintain front ride height -> stiff front springs -> front dampers don't work -> rear dampers must do more -> hurts front & rear tyres.

With FRIC: Front platform height increased -> front springs reduced to maintain front ride height -> front dampers do (more) work -> rear dampers have to do less -> looks after both front & rear tyres.

The common goal is to maintain front ride height (aero requirement). FRIC helps to look after the tyres (mechanical benefit).

[Tim.Wright]

That would make 3rd springs illegal too.

[DaveW]

That would make 3rd springs illegal too.

True. Taken literally 3.15 makes both suspensions & tyres illegal.

[Tim.Wright]

Dave, I've also noticed that some cars appear to have pro-dive on the front axle. I wonder if they are using the dive movement on the front to cause a squat movement on the rear (using the fric system) in order to stop the diffuser lifting too high under braking...

[autogyro]

It is so obvious that this request made to the FIA is a case of, "we dont know how to do it so why should anyone else have it".
It is a common part of F1 since it began and we all know who it is.

It is nobody else's fault but their own that top designers no longer want to have their ideas stolen and will not work as consultants for them any more on an ad hoc basis.
Most of these guys have gone to pastures new outside F1.

It is also no use bringing in a road car bean counter, that is counter productive and will make them look silly.
That only leaves the army of grads doing CAD without the experience needed in the real world, sad days for performance vehicles but there will be an inevitable decline.

[Moxie]

FIA clears the air around FRIC

http://www.f1technical.net/news/19482?s ... 7b8a2a3c4a

Firstly, this does not properly explain why the FIA deemed it necessary to institute the reinterpretation mid-season. If they really want to play this "if all teams agree" game, they could have still played it regarding the 2015 season.

I am not an engineer, so please forgive me if I go astray on my second point.

In every wheeled vehicle, the suspension transmits physical loads from the chassis, so that longitudinal and lateral forces can be applied to the ground. The suspension also translates the irregularities of the ground to the chassis so that bumps do not cause excessive bouncing, interruption of steering control, or unmanageable shifts of the load. Am I correct so far, more or less???

In F1 a most of the load is created by aerodynamics, and holding the chassis still as it rolls around turns, and over irregularities will certainly have a positive aerodynamic effect. Maybe I am just waxing philosophical here, but I don't believe that it is proper to split hairs between aerodynamic and mechanical loads in this case. Any suspension component at all will be mostly for aerodynamic purposes, because most of the loads applied to it are generated by aerodynamics.

Is my layman point of view out of line? It seems as if the FIA is killing the messenger per se. If they want to deal with the aerodynamics they should do so directly. Instead they chose to eliminate a suspension system that transmits aerodynamic loads to the ground, and transmits bumps and irregularities to the aerodynamic beast.

[Andres125sx]

I´m surprised you all need to look for a reason for FIA banning....

What was the reason to ban active suspension?

And mass dumper?

Double Difusers?

Blown diffusers?


It´s always the same, to stop domination. Then FIA must use some excuse (cost cutting, safety...) to do not upset the harmed team too much, but to me it´s obvious the reason is always the same, stop domination and improve competitiveness.... or to be more accurate, to stop the tv audience fall every domination period has always brought together

That their only concern, the rest are only excuses

[iotar__]

At least they're awkwardly trying to pretend. See: it's small teams fault, no, nothing in F1 happens because of small teams. If it's about cost cutting ban it from 2015. Instead they set it up on purpose the way unanimous voting is required and big teams (together, really?) are for the ban and small against? Ridiculous. They came to some sort of agreement - Merc doesn't want any trouble and is winning everything (WDC/WCC) anyway.

[re post above] I disagree about competitiveness - they don't care about that, it's a consolation for some teams, less embarrassment and chance for some results. I don't recall them caring for competitiveness in 2006 it was straight forward help. Why didn't they ban every kind of blowing in the beginning of 2012 tests to "help competitiveness"? Because some teams already had working solutions (McL/Ferrari). If they cared about it they'd be doing something about engine manufacturers advantage, flapping wings would have been treated differently (long pretending nothing was happening) etc. etc.
They meet - decide FRIC is staying until 2017 - lots of correspondence - ban - the mess it is now. BTW when are they voting, day before GP?