2023 Singapore Grand Prix - Marina Bay, Sep 15 -17

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Matt2725 wrote:
17 Sep 2023, 00:18
Zynerji wrote:
16 Sep 2023, 23:59
I think Max goes H-S and wins.😒

Sad, but probably true.
With the balance issues clearly evident in that car, I don't see how he can make up that kind of deficit. I know we're used to him storming through and maybe on higher fuel it might be a little better.
That being said, they spoke of the car bottoming out in braking which won't be helped by a heavier car.
The bottoming under braking is happening at the front of the t-tray most likely. Fuel goes in the back of the car and tire pressure on long run raises ground clearance
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AR3-GP wrote:
17 Sep 2023, 00:54
Matt2725 wrote:
17 Sep 2023, 00:18
Zynerji wrote:
16 Sep 2023, 23:59
I think Max goes H-S and wins.😒

Sad, but probably true.
With the balance issues clearly evident in that car, I don't see how he can make up that kind of deficit. I know we're used to him storming through and maybe on higher fuel it might be a little better.
That being said, they spoke of the car bottoming out in braking which won't be helped by a heavier car.
The bottoming under braking is happening at the front of the t-tray most likely. Fuel goes in the back of the car and tire pressure on long run raises ground clearance
Not needing to pit during the (inevitable) first safety car moves him to P1, then he just holds everyone up on the 1 stopper.

I agree with the weight helping his problem, unless its the front bound settings being too low, and then the weight transfer under braking could actually be worse.

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scuderiabrandon wrote:
17 Sep 2023, 00:19
Zynerji wrote:
16 Sep 2023, 23:59
I think Max goes H-S and wins.😒

Sad, but probably true.
The problem is they made major setup changes that completely screwed over the balance and drveability. Their FP2 long runs were on a different setup and a different floor, so who knows how representitive those were.

These changes aren't allowed to be reverted under parc ferme. If today was anything to go by, it does not looked too good.

I wish them the best of luck though.
The previous specification of RB19 was strongly immune to a bad setup. It's hard to see that setup would ruin them now. They are deflecting the fact that the car's operating window has drastically narrowed across different temperatures and grip conditions.
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
17 Sep 2023, 01:10
scuderiabrandon wrote:
17 Sep 2023, 00:19
Zynerji wrote:
16 Sep 2023, 23:59
I think Max goes H-S and wins.😒

Sad, but probably true.
The problem is they made major setup changes that completely screwed over the balance and drveability. Their FP2 long runs were on a different setup and a different floor, so who knows how representitive those were.

These changes aren't allowed to be reverted under parc ferme. If today was anything to go by, it does not looked too good.

I wish them the best of luck though.
The previous specification of RB19 was strongly immune to a bad setup. It's hard to see that setup would ruin them now. They are deflecting the fact that the car's operating window has drastically narrowed across different temperatures and grip conditions.
Wishful thinking :evil:

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Perez seemed to have engine problems on his last run. But seems like his setup is not as doomed as Max's.
Redbull could maybe do a medium to hard race.
Assumming the pace improves and the deg is thwle best, them doing a one stop could cruise them to the win
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ringo wrote:
17 Sep 2023, 02:23
Perez seemed to have engine problems on his last run. But seems like his setup is not as doomed as Max's.
Redbull could maybe do a medium to hard race.
Assumming the pace improves and the deg is thwle best, them doing a one stop could cruise them to the win
Meh. Midfield should start on hards. Soft/Med runners at the front will baby tyres for their 1 stop. Play the safety car roulette for a podium!

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Should be a great race with RB not as overwhelmingly dominant. Team strategy is going to determine this race, and with the long lap, a well or mis timed yellow will make or break a guys chances. With a hard to pass track, there should be some accidents/yellows. The unpredictability this all engenders is welcome!

SAI resurgence has been unexpected, but I like it that he’s really challenging Shal.

Nice job from George pulling the vanilla Merc up to the front row. Well done.

The updates from Macca have been nothing short of miraculous. What a team effort there, and so impressive. They’ve put AMR to shame with their updates. Lando may want to consider staying as Macca might give him the car he needs next year to challenge for wins. Really happy to see Macca getting their act together. So impressed with Piastri. Shame he got caught out today with Lance —should have never been in F1— Stroll’s bonehead crash. Smh.

Speaking of Stroll, the clowns here who predicted Stroll would out-quali and challenge Fred by mid/end of year should go sit in the corner and apologize to the racing gods. =P~ :lol:
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This was totally wrong

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ME4ME wrote:
16 Sep 2023, 23:24
The FIA said no AlphaTauri representative attended the hearing. It appears that the stewards did not formally invite an AlphaTauri representative to the hearing, as per normal procedure.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/vers ... /10521252/

Thats on the FIA.
And now appears that FIA shooting themselves on the foot might have been a part of the unexpected reprimand.
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Really surprised. No Q3 for RBR. No penalty for Verstappen.

Doesn't seem right.

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Wouter wrote:
16 Sep 2023, 23:27
hollus wrote:
16 Sep 2023, 22:47
Gosh, Alpha Tauri, yes.

But still, if it had been Alonso costing Tsunoda his lap, I guess the end result would have been a 3 place penalty, after someone from Toro Tauri would have shown up?
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They did exactly the same with Sargeant! He also didn't get a 3 place gridpenalty! Didn't you read my post?
Why would Alonso get a 3 place gridpenalty if Logan and Max didn't?! #-o
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No one cares about Sargeant. Irrelevant driver, field filler. Obviously that should have been a penalty as well. (Is it even still a penalty when you drop from 19 to 19, oh wait zhou was slower 18 to 19, assuming stroll starts in pitlane).
Team didnt inform him. He was driving visibly behind him since turn 3. Surely he has learned how to use his mirrors and is able to pick a spot to let others by being lapped every race.
Hopefully some team is gonna tactically block a competitor by not informing their driver in a future race, cant wait for this to blow up in FIA 's face

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AR3-GP wrote:
16 Sep 2023, 20:32
ValeVida46 wrote:
16 Sep 2023, 14:49
AR3-GP wrote:
16 Sep 2023, 14:36

Be sure to remember that for all teams.
That's a bit of a stretch isn't it?
It turned out just like I said. I have an F1TV subscription.

Wait....so we must "remember that for all teams".... Apart from Red Bull?

I mean it was probably really lucky that most could see Red Bull were in trouble, including Max and Red bull themselves, that resulted in them having a poor qualifying session.
Not even your F1TV subscription could save them today.

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Stroll to miss the grand prix. Still feeling sore...

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... al%20turn.

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I honestly don’t think RB has it this weekend. Hence the desperate last minute tinkering which pushed the setup way out of the window. They should have just accepted the setup and gone for 3rd fastest quali car. They’d have more chance in the race. Car behaviour was shocking in quali.

OTOH delighted with Macca. Low speed traction is unreal

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101FlyingDutchman wrote:
17 Sep 2023, 09:56
I honestly don’t think RB has it this weekend. Hence the desperate last minute tinkering which pushed the setup way out of the window. They should have just accepted the setup and gone for 3rd fastest quali car. They’d have more chance in the race. Car behaviour was shocking in quali.

OTOH delighted with Macca. Low speed traction is unreal
TD018 is the mail reason my friend…Flexi floor no more. :o