2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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Moving the cockpit 25mm back was absolutely stupid in hindsight. The redesigned gearbox casing has cost Ferrari so incredibly dearly. They really need to fix it so the car can run like intended.

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Leclerc:

I’m not satisfied at all—actually, I’m very disappointed overall, because when you do everything possible with the car and end up fourth, it’s just frustrating and disappointing. But that’s what the car is capable of right now. I can play with the limits, go from understeer to oversteer, but in the end, we just don’t have enough grip to go into some corners with the same speed our rivals can. We need to analyze this. I’m disappointed because we expected more from a track like this.

Today confirms we’re lacking overall potential. I’m happy on my end, because I’ve found a direction that lets me extract the most out of the car every time in qualifying. But it makes it extremely tough—if you look at my quali lap, I think I almost ended up in the wall two or three times. At the moment, I feel good in the car. I think I’ve found the car’s sweet spot that fits my driving style. I feel like over the last three qualifyings, I’ve been able to maximize the car’s potential—but that potential isn’t yet at the level I want.
Hamilton:

I’ve been nowhere all weekend. I haven’t even been able to improve much session by session, but honestly, I’m just grateful to have made it to Q3, considering the level we’re at. The last lap wasn’t spectacular, but we are making progress. We’ve been improving throughout the weekend. I should’ve done a better lap at the end, but either way, I’m grateful to be up there, to still be among the top guys. Overtaking is possible here, so tomorrow’s goal will be to fight back.
Vasseur:

You always hope to do better, but it's true that since the start of the weekend, we've been losing a lot of time in Turn 1. I think we’re about three-tenths off pole position, and we’re losing exactly three-tenths in Turn 1 alone. But that’s how it went — now we need to focus on the race and long runs. So far, we've always been stronger in race pace, even if yesterday in FP2 we didn’t get to run a race sim because of a red flag — nobody managed a full lap. But I believe anything’s possible in the race, so we’ll see.

The story is completely different from last weekend. In Bahrain, Lewis had strong pace from the get-go and just missed the final lap in Q3. This weekend, though, things have been tougher — he struggled from the start to find the right balance. And on this kind of track, surrounded by barriers, when you’re not confident in the car, it gets a lot more complicated. We’ll see in the race — he made a strong comeback last week, and I’m sure he’ll deliver another solid performance tomorrow.

Strange that Lewis is still struggling to adapt after five races? I wouldn’t say that, because it’s not really about five races. After just two Grands Prix, he was already doing a great job in China, finding the right setup and fighting for pole and the win. So it’s not a learning curve issue — it’s about balance. He needs to find the right configuration for each track, and so far that’s been tough. We managed it two or three races ago, and I’m sure we’ll get there again.

I’m disappointed because we’re not here to be three-tenths off pole, and I feel like we didn’t manage to put everything together this weekend. But the race is on Sunday, and you can overtake in Jeddah, so everything’s still on the table. It’s true though — from one weekend to the next, everything can flip completely. Verstappen won in Japan, then suffered like crazy last week in Bahrain, and now he’s back on top. Consistency’s hard to find — not just for us, but for others too, maybe except McLaren. That’s the picture right now, and that’s how these last few weekends have played out.

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A very insightful statement from RUS for the race:

- he`d be on pole had he not lost 2 tenths in S1
- nobody ran the hard tyre
- NOR will most probably bolt the hards and try to capitalize on a 1-stop race with the little help of a SC/VSC
- all the top teams are struggling with overheating the rear tyres except the MCL39
- there is no clear cut between 1 and 2-stop race tomorrow ... presumably he was saying this due to the tyre choice and strategy Ferrari had last race ...

LEC said that:
- they changed the balance from front to the back and vice versa, and they finally acknowledged that the SF25 is lacking grip/DF overall compared to the top 3 teams

In addition to that:
- both drivers chose to run the low DF setup, despite the rumor saying that they had to run (again!) the car higher to avoid wearing the plank too much. This means the new floor was designed before the tests in Bahrain ...
- maybe they`ll have the same strategy from Bahrain race, starting on the medium tyre and trying to go for a longer first stint and afterwards just being flexible for the following stint or stints as the race deploys, although there`s a high chance of at least one SC/VSC phase here ...

On a sidenote, the hard tyre in Bahrain was the C1 compound and was avoided by the drivers coz it had no grip. That was due to the lower track temps and the highest working operation window this hardest tyre in the Pirelli range has. This led the car to slide more in the corners, particularly in the mid to high-speed ones ...

In contrast, here at Jeddah, we have the C3 compound as the hard tyre, which in Sakir was the soft one, but more of that, here we have higher track temps in the evening compared to Bahrain. Thus, bearing in mind that for the C3 the operation window is lower than the C1, this means there`s a high chance for this tyre to fall into their operation window here in the race...
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Leclerc carried Ferrari massively. He is probably the fastest driver around this track and his final lap was amazing.

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It is a shame we can't run the car as designed.

I would happily sacrifice 2026 to continue developing this year. Odds are someone will nail it 26 regs, and everyone will follow suit. Even moreso if Ferrari do believe their PU is going to be distant to Merc's offering.

At this point we all wish Ferrari could give Charles a competitive offering but it is looking unlikely. With TD in Spain, you have to tip the hat to Max for staying in touch. Given the reports, you'd have to think he is favorite for the WDC.

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Here's a pretty important question I've seen get little discussion:

Who is the person responsible for the SF-25 concept / chassis design?

The 2023 car can be attributed to a poor design direction pursued by Binotto and Sanchez.

The SF-24, while certainly having a lot of areas for further optimization/improvement, was a solid foundation and was designed by Cardile.

Serra did not begin formal work until recently. So who designed the SF-25?

It seems the rumor about a fundamental issue with ride height (whether it's related to the rear suspension isn't quite clear) is becoming seemingly more likely. If it's true they're bleeding several tenths worth of performance because they're having to run the car considerably higher than expected, the question then becomes what is the cause, and why was it missed during the development process.

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atanatizante wrote:
19 Apr 2025, 22:17
LEC said that:
- they changed the balance from front to the back and vice versa, and they finally acknowledged that the SF25 is lacking grip/DF overall compared to the top 3 teams
I'm glad we can put this to rest now. There's no magic setup or 'understanding' that will make the Ferrari a top car. It has inherent limitations, and I personally think that's been quite apparent even since watching the car in testing. People can still hope that some magic update will somehow remedy this, but that's very likely a longshot.

It's really not a much different car compared to last year in terms of weaknesses/strengths whatsoever. The difference seems mainly that Mclaren and Mercedes simply improved more overall over winter. Ferrari still haven't cracked their biggest deficit, which is low-to-medium speed corner entry responsiveness. That sort of 'immediacy' of direction change in those sorts of corners once aero load becomes significant enough. It's such a huge thing.

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Seanspeed wrote:
19 Apr 2025, 22:44
atanatizante wrote:
19 Apr 2025, 22:17
LEC said that:
- they changed the balance from front to the back and vice versa, and they finally acknowledged that the SF25 is lacking grip/DF overall compared to the top 3 teams
I'm glad we can put this to rest now. There's no magic setup or 'understanding' that will make the Ferrari a top car. It has inherent limitations, and I personally think that's been quite apparent even since watching the car in testing. People can still hope that some magic update will somehow remedy this, but that's very likely a longshot.

It's really not a much different car compared to last year in terms of weaknesses/strengths whatsoever. The difference seems mainly that Mclaren and Mercedes simply improved more overall over winter. Ferrari still haven't cracked their biggest deficit, which is low-to-medium speed corner entry responsiveness. That sort of 'immediacy' of direction change in those sorts of corners once aero load becomes significant enough. It's such a huge thing.
The SF-25 is a fundamentally solid car that is clearly consistent and never a complete boat, it’s just not good enough.

In theory it should be faster, but it just can’t get into the setup window it was designed for. This is due to the alterations to the rear suspension and gearbox casing that were required to move the cockpit back 25mm compared to the SF-24.

If they can fix the ride height issue it will be a top car. For now it just can’t get there.

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SF24 wasnt all that great either. It found form from Monza. It had issues the team struggled with.
Will the 2026 car be ground effect floor like today's?
I wish they would just go back to the T shaped floors for simplicity's sake.
The ground effect floor was supposed to help overtaking by reducing the wing wake. But the car's have migrated back to dirty wake after 2022. The GE floors aren't worth keeping.

If they stay Ferrari will struggle.
For Sure!!

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bananapeel23 wrote:
19 Apr 2025, 22:48
The SF-25 is a fundamentally solid car that is clearly consistent and never a complete boat, it’s just not good enough.

In theory it should be faster, but it just can’t get into the setup window it was designed for. This is due to the alterations to the rear suspension and gearbox casing that were required to move the cockpit back 25mm compared to the SF-24.

If they can fix the ride height issue it will be a top car. For now it just can’t get there.
I think you're eager to latch onto any kind of plausible-sounding explanation, but I dont think it's reasonable to buy into any such claims like this without much more convincing sources.

Cant stress enough that just because something sounds plausible, doesn't at all mean it's true.

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Lewis is underperforming last few years, does he have sports consultants to tell him maybe is better to finish career?

It's sad to see him ruining his legacy, keep doing this just, he just feed his haters that will repeat like parrots : "you see it was just car" , "he is average driver" etc..
He dont deserve this ending after a brilliant career.

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Maybe Leclerc realizes finally Ferrari won’t be able to give him winning car. Maybe Toto would be interested if he can’t get max.

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Fluido wrote:
19 Apr 2025, 23:25
Lewis is underperforming last few years, does he have sports consultants to tell him maybe is better to finish career?

It's sad to see him ruining his legacy, keep doing this just, he just feed his haters that will repeat like parrots : "you see it was just car" , "he is average driver" etc..
He dont deserve this ending after a brilliant career.
I doubt he gives a sh** about the haters to be honest

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DJ Downforce wrote:
19 Apr 2025, 23:32
Fluido wrote:
19 Apr 2025, 23:25
Lewis is underperforming last few years, does he have sports consultants to tell him maybe is better to finish career?

It's sad to see him ruining his legacy, keep doing this just, he just feed his haters that will repeat like parrots : "you see it was just car" , "he is average driver" etc..
He dont deserve this ending after a brilliant career.
I doubt he gives a sh** about the haters to be honest
Yes, but wouldn't it be better if he retired at the top?

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No one can come here and mention ride heights. The issue is not the peak downforce of the car, after T1-T2 the car is matched basically totally matched with Max. This is a mechanical issue that they yet again failed to solve as Seanspeed mentioned.