Ferrari F138

[tony77g]

Ferrari also uses a seal in the rim. After the Mercedes Ferrari also try this solution, all the details have been published in an article.

[Crucial_Xtreme]

GA analysis of Monza FW. Says the element go too far inboard at the leading edge..


via AutoSport

[turbof1]

"It looks like the elements go too far inboard at the bottom"

Ehmm... Garry playing mister now-at-all again? I find that quite arrogant to determine that based on only a visual view.

[Kiril Varbanov]

GA analysis of Monza FW. Says the element go too far inboard at the leading edge..

http://imageshack.us/a/img14/45/98k1.jpg
via AutoSport

In all honesty, this can hardly be called analysis; it's actually a word that has been abused badly in the light of the broadband access. And this is not against you, Jason, but to people publishing that.

When you have statements like "looks like" and try to draw solid conclusions on them, it doesn't sound serious.
"Disturb the flow to the underside" - allow me to have doubts in that freely constructed observation. Ferrari have been preparing the Monza package for quite some time...

[trinidefender]

He also mentions the short cord front wing element. Yea, it is short cord. So what? As you can see the first wing element is at a very neutral to even slightly lift producing AoA (on its own. It may be just setting up flow for the rest of the wing). Therefore it is unlikely that it is stalled. Worse of, if the first element stalls then the rest of the wing would most likely stall to some element because the rest of the wing elements would be running in dirty air (turbulent). This causes poor performance and thick boundary layers to form.

On the part about the wing being to far in that it would interfere with the floor of the car, it is highly unlikely that Ferrari would have made such a trivial mistake.

[Huntresa]

Also the wing that he uses as the old one isnt that the one they ran just once at Canada?

[Alonso Fan]

yep

[turbof1]

Most of the time I only take a look at Gary's article for the great drawings. I too simply can't believe Ferrari is that simply off with their slot gaps and elements. I sense alot of prejudgment coming from Gary.

[wesley123]

Most of the time I only take a look at Gary's article for the great drawings. I too simply can't believe Ferrari is that simply off with their slot gaps and elements. I sense alot of prejudgment coming from Gary.

i think he is despretly trying to convince someone he shoud get a job whit some team!
not workin out for him though.

He has had jobs as a main designer in F1 for many years. If he wanted a job in there he wouldnt need things like these.

[Richard]

I think his comments are OK in conversation, he comes across as an experienced designer giving subjective views. The older partner are work are like that, they'll look at a drawing and suggest from expiecne that something might be better adjuste din some way. Its all relative and subjective.

So when I hear him speak its along the lines of "Looking at that wing, and having looked at other cars, I'm wondering if it might be worthwhile for Ferrari to explore making those a bit smaller, because a smaller outlet would give benefits xyz. Then again that would be worse for abc. That'd be interesting .... " *absently mindedly imagines having that sort of iterative design conversation with the design team*

Unfortunately the trainee journalist who has to capture nuanced thinking writes in cold hard brutal words "Gary says the Ferrari wing is WRONG."

The key is understanding that design is an iterative process and the best designers have an inquiring mind that entertains thoughts about "What if that bit got a bit smaller". That's why calculation and analysis are merely verification of good design (aka intution). That's why Gordon Murray and Adrian Newey famously insist on drawing.

[Kiril Varbanov]

Animated video for F138 - from high to low downforce configuration - http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2013/0/1100.html

[Kiril Varbanov]

Early shots from F138 via Will Buxton:

[tony77g]

Early shots from F138 via Will Buxton:

do not think it was taken in Singapore, today is Wednesday, usually the installation is over on Thursday.

[heimana]

Early shots from F138 via Will Buxton:

do not think it was taken in Singapore, today is Wednesday, usually the installation is over on Thursday.

the teams are installing since tuesday

[tony77g]

Early shots from F138 via Will Buxton:

do not think it was taken in Singapore, today is Wednesday, usually the installation is over on Thursday.

the teams are installing since tuesday

I remain doubtful