2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

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I said it here a while ago that the Honda engine was good enough to win races. It's not down to luck or good fortune. After the start, dropping to 8th Max had his work cut out for him, but the package worked and he gave it his all. A lot of folks just seem to ignore the importance of the chassis, or just felt since it's Red Bull, the chassis is fine, the engine is bad. I also made a comment earlier in the season, what impressed me the most of Honda powered cars is the way the drivers can push from literally lights to flag, no fuel saving. Albon in China, Gasly on Baku etc.
How I wish this was Bahrain, I really don't want Mercedes to romp away again. Max with a car like this would give them a good run for their money. Mode 11 to the end... Hello?
Q: (Stefano Mancini – La Stampa) Kimi, will you help Vettel to win his championship this year?
Kimi Raikkonen: I can only drive one car, obviously. 
@2018 Singapore Grand Prix drivers press conference.

Bill
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When I saw Lewis trying hard to match Max lap in quali q2 I new victory was within reach on Sunday

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Ground Effect wrote:
01 Jul 2019, 08:01
I said it here a while ago that the Honda engine was good enough to win races. It's not down to luck or good fortune. After the start, dropping to 8th Max had his work cut out for him, but the package worked and he gave it his all. A lot of folks just seem to ignore the importance of the chassis, or just felt since it's Red Bull, the chassis is fine, the engine is bad. I also made a comment earlier in the season, what impressed me the most of Honda powered cars is the way the drivers can push from literally lights to flag, no fuel saving. Albon in China, Gasly on Baku etc.
How I wish this was Bahrain, I really don't want Mercedes to romp away again. Max with a car like this would give them a good run for their money. Mode 11 to the end... Hello?
Since spec 2 2017 their ICE is reliable, but turbo and mguh is a joke. Only until spec 3 2018 they finally sort out the problem. But its happy ending for Honda, RB, and MCL nevertheless as they all move forward. We should do the same as a fans. Fantastic, racing win today and interesting season ahead

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selvam_e2002 wrote:
01 Jul 2019, 05:45
I think it is a Newly magic not honda magic. .... If they stick with Renault Engine, they would beaten Ferrari for second place and may be challenged for Mec.
Max told everything:

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its a shame redbull is a one man team so far. with riccardo, he gave max a fight and won some by his talent. this year redbull are handicapped with just one quality driver. i say give albon a shot and if he aint good then try kyatt.

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Congrats to Honda and its fans! It’s been a long time coming, but come it did.

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gokarter wrote:
01 Jul 2019, 10:35
its a shame redbull is a one man team so far. with riccardo, he gave max a fight and won some by his talent. this year redbull are handicapped with just one quality driver. i say give albon a shot and if he aint good then try kyatt.
Same here and believe Albon has big chance to that seat.

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etusch wrote:
01 Jul 2019, 11:07
gokarter wrote:
01 Jul 2019, 10:35
its a shame redbull is a one man team so far. with riccardo, he gave max a fight and won some by his talent. this year redbull are handicapped with just one quality driver. i say give albon a shot and if he aint good then try kyatt.
Same here and believe Albon has big chance to that seat.
Problem is, this is Albon's first season in F1. Directly promoting him to Red Bull might produce an effect, similar to Kvyat's stint in Red Bull. Too much expectations and pressure might cause a negative effect in performance (Gasly is a prime example of that).

Although Kvyat may seem like a good option, I don't believe his future is with the Red Bull team. I think he might go to Ferrari if Vettel retires. Giovinazzi isn't ready yet for a top team drive (although showing the potential in recent races), and Mick Schumacher might need an additional year in F2 before even stepping in F1 (which is probably gonna be with Alfa Romeo). Kvyat was in Ferrari as a test/development driver and seemed to fit well, so why not? He has the speed to push Leclerc forward. That however might cause a problem in Torro Rosso, since for the moment they don't have a replacement for any of the drivers. Dan Ticktum isn't part of the program anymore, so who might replace Albon/Kvyat?

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Do you guys think there's any truth in the Hulkenberg link? True they have Kvyat and Albon in the wings, but I don't know how good Kvyat's relationship is with Marko and promoting Albon may be the same mistake they made with Gasly, too much too soon? From all indications, 2020 could be a real full on title challenge, it's imperative that have 2 good drivers. If not Hulk, Buemi?
Q: (Stefano Mancini – La Stampa) Kimi, will you help Vettel to win his championship this year?
Kimi Raikkonen: I can only drive one car, obviously. 
@2018 Singapore Grand Prix drivers press conference.

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You may consider that Albon is doing what he is doing in his first season and he is very consistent.
This midseason swap can help him to handle that pressure and can be relaxed by being just better than Gasly which is not hard for Albon according to what we can see

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sorry guys but even in clean air in his 2nd stint , Gasly didn't make the great difference upon the mclaren and almost was on match with them .
1 second a lap to his teammate is also not good , even if he hadn't the upgrades . the upgrades may give him 0.3-0.4 at the best conditions but still 0.6 sec is a huge difference in a short circuit like Spielberg.
just can't imagine what would have been if it were in Spa ,, would be 2 seconds or something ?

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etusch wrote:
01 Jul 2019, 12:21
You may consider that Albon is doing what he is doing in his first season and he is very consistent.
This midseason swap can help him to handle that pressure and can be relaxed by being just better than Gasly which is not hard for Albon according to what we can see
I think RB will be reluctant, Albon is doing well but to pit him against Verstappen so soon is likely to do him no good. I hope they will let him mature a bit so that he can join prepared in 2021. I don't think a lot of young drivers would like to be teammate to Verstappen right now, my vote would be on the likes of Alonso or Hulkenberg however, good drivers with nothing to prove or to lose. Alonso is difficult for Honda obviously, although the story could form full circle if things work out.

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Ground Effect wrote:
01 Jul 2019, 11:36
Do you guys think there's any truth in the Hulkenberg link? True they have Kvyat and Albon in the wings, but I don't know how good Kvyat's relationship is with Marko and promoting Albon may be the same mistake they made with Gasly, too much too soon? From all indications, 2020 could be a real full on title challenge, it's imperative that have 2 good drivers. If not Hulk, Buemi?
Agree, promoting Albon will be the same mistake as Gasly. They need an experienced driver. Kvyat or Hulkenburg will be a good choice. Hulkenburg would mean that one of their drivers will need to leave F1, which keeps them in the spiral of not developing enough experience in their programme. Kvyat was not too bad when he was at RBR in terms of pace. He just made too many mistakes, and then their was the Max factor.

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Poor Gasly. It's not only on pure pace where he is lacking. His car positioning is awful compared to Max. He just can't think three corners ahead and setup an overtake. His contribution is pretty much zero.

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Gasly had some great racing with the likes of Mag and Perez in the past I think having Marko breath down your neck doesn't help driver confidence.the body language of the car doesn't exude confidence he needs to get his elbows out like he did with Str even though it lead to some penalties