2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

[NiyolHuayra]

https://www.gptoday.net/en/ has live updates and times for testing in Bahrain.

[FittingMechanics]

Pretty much agree. But I recall Ricciardo divebombing bottas last year and it was hailed a great move. Similar move from Max I feel, if not a bit more risky.

For Norris I agree also. But public opinion can swing. This track rewards patience, but most do not. Daring overtakes that are judged to within 1% of safe are still needed and he will need to up his game once the rookie tag fades, and I hope he does. But there aren't that many talented overtakes.

Max is one less rush of blood to his head away from being a fantastic overtaker, or driver. Kid just needs to learn better when to keep his powder dry.

Max was defending, Ricciardo was dive bombing to overtake (and it was against Bottas who is cautious). Situations are quite different.

For Norris, he talked after the race that he still does not have confidence to pull the big moves, he is still learning the car and race craft needed to race in Formula 1. In my opinion that is a really good attitude, he is a rookie, there is much to learn, by being a bit more cautious he gets to run full races with plenty of action. In this race he first had plenty of laps for practicing overtaking through the field (passed with flying colors) and then at the end had to nurse the car home with a possible brake issue and with a former world champion on his back. If he was more aggresive, he might have crashed early on and lost a great opportunity to learn.

[mwillems]

Pretty much agree. But I recall Ricciardo divebombing bottas last year and it was hailed a great move. Similar move from Max I feel, if not a bit more risky.

For Norris I agree also. But public opinion can swing. This track rewards patience, but most do not. Daring overtakes that are judged to within 1% of safe are still needed and he will need to up his game once the rookie tag fades, and I hope he does. But there aren't that many talented overtakes.

Max is one less rush of blood to his head away from being a fantastic overtaker, or driver. Kid just needs to learn better when to keep his powder dry.

Max was defending, Ricciardo was dive bombing to overtake (and it was against Bottas who is cautious). Situations are quite different.

For Norris, he talked after the race that he still does not have confidence to pull the big moves, he is still learning the car and race craft needed to race in Formula 1. In my opinion that is a really good attitude, he is a rookie, there is much to learn, by being a bit more cautious he gets to run full races with plenty of action. In this race he first had plenty of laps for practicing overtaking through the field (passed with flying colors) and then at the end had to nurse the car home with a possible brake issue and with a former world champion on his back. If he was more aggresive, he might have crashed early on and lost a great opportunity to learn.

But still, he will need to learn to be more aggressive and make it work.

For me, Max had lost the place and went on the attack to get it back. He may have been defending but it soon turned into an attempted overtake on Sainz. He just was very quick to get right back on it. Fair play to him.

[Ground Effect]

https://www.gptoday.net/en/ has live updates and times for testing in Bahrain.

Thanks

[Capharol]

i wanna smoke what you guys have, maybe then i can blame Max aswell

every real expert says it wasn´t Max his fault, but it seems we need to to replace them with some of you guys

Max already hit the curbs, was on the racing line, Max could brake later, but hey keep taking those pills

[RonDennis]

i wanna smoke what you guys have, maybe then i can blame Max aswell

every real expert says it wasn´t Max his fault, but it seems we need to to replace them with some of you guys

Max already hit the curbs, was on the racing line, Max could brake later, but hey keep taking those pills

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He simply braked too late, just look at the angle of his car when he hits Sainz. He was just going straight, but he was able to turn in because of the impact. Verstappen needs to learn to take his loss, because it will hurt him in the long run. He was very lucky that he didn't damage his car. Sainz should have been smarter, because he knew it's Verstappen. It's probably a family thing, Jos also thought he could brake later (it's a joke, don't take it too seriously).

[RS200E]

i wanna smoke what you guys have, maybe then i can blame Max aswell

every real expert says it wasn´t Max his fault, but it seems we need to to replace them with some of you guys

Max already hit the curbs, was on the racing line, Max could brake later, but hey keep taking those pills

Uh oh we have one in the room!

[Darth-Piekus]

i wanna smoke what you guys have, maybe then i can blame Max aswell

every real expert says it wasn´t Max his fault, but it seems we need to to replace them with some of you guys

Max already hit the curbs, was on the racing line, Max could brake later, but hey keep taking those pills

Personally I don't trust experts. I have seen too many Know-it-all Experts and Max has caused too many incidents to just accept that it wasn't his fault.

[_cerber1]

https://twitter.com/pirellisport/status ... 0347660290

[Starscreamer]

i wanna smoke what you guys have, maybe then i can blame Max aswell

every real expert says it wasn´t Max his fault, but it seems we need to to replace them with some of you guys

Max already hit the curbs, was on the racing line, Max could brake later, but hey keep taking those pills

Personally I don't trust experts. I have seen too many Know-it-all Experts and Max has caused too many incidents to just accept that it wasn't his fault.

To many incidents????? This wasn't Max fault.
Also the movie (Jos Verstappen Montoya) wasn't in my opinion Jos fault.
Montoya brake too early

[ALO_Power]

I see new people getting interested in the McLaren topic suddenly Well, whatever the case, Max wouldn't "allow" a Renault powered car to pass him that easily and especially the McLaren that should be last with Williams

[_cerber1]

A lot of the softest rubber, bet on Q3?

https://twitter.com/pirellisport/status ... 0347660290

[Capharol]

Yeah well to those whom it might concern..... keep on dreaming that a Renault (yes any powered renault team) will end in front of RB in the WCC

[SmallSoldier]

Pretty much agree. But I recall Ricciardo divebombing bottas last year and it was hailed a great move. Similar move from Max I feel, if not a bit more risky.

For Norris I agree also. But public opinion can swing. This track rewards patience, but most do not. Daring overtakes that are judged to within 1% of safe are still needed and he will need to up his game once the rookie tag fades, and I hope he does. But there aren't that many talented overtakes.

Max is one less rush of blood to his head away from being a fantastic overtaker, or driver. Kid just needs to learn better when to keep his powder dry.

Max was defending, Ricciardo was dive bombing to overtake (and it was against Bottas who is cautious). Situations are quite different.

For Norris, he talked after the race that he still does not have confidence to pull the big moves, he is still learning the car and race craft needed to race in Formula 1. In my opinion that is a really good attitude, he is a rookie, there is much to learn, by being a bit more cautious he gets to run full races with plenty of action. In this race he first had plenty of laps for practicing overtaking through the field (passed with flying colors) and then at the end had to nurse the car home with a possible brake issue and with a former world champion on his back. If he was more aggresive, he might have crashed early on and lost a great opportunity to learn.

But still, he will need to learn to be more aggressive and make it work.

For me, Max had lost the place and went on the attack to get it back. He may have been defending but it soon turned into an attempted overtake on Sainz. He just was very quick to get right back on it. Fair play to him.

I guess this is one of those arguments that no one will ever win, since it’s a matter of perspective... For me, Max isn’t “aggressive”, he is simply reckless and overdrives the car... He could have easily avoided the crash with Sainz and could have broke “at the normal braking point” and nothing would have happened, but his immaturity wins and he has the need to try to outbrake a car that has already taken control of the corner.

This time, Verstappen got away with it, but so far in his career it has already cost him (thinking Baku vs RIC or even better not letting Ocon get by in Brazil, leaving a Win on the table)... This is what I believe differentiate “Great Drivers” from “Very Good Ones”... The great drivers know that all the “aggressive” moves are useless if they don’t make it to the finish and would much rather lose a position than not get any points... Verstappen is a Good Driver in what has been a Great Car, who knows if he will ever become a Great Driver, but he needs to mature first to get there.


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[rogazilla]

I don't know if people wants to see cars driving around all polite or actually watch racers race. The fine line between a brilliant move and a reckless move is very thin and it takes 2 drivers to define it. Looking back at Senna's races, is he a brilliant driver or someone who cause too many accidents? How about the move Alonso pulled on Schumacher in Suzuka at 130R and if Schumacher had close the door on him?

I think in the past the stewards have had made too many racing incident into penalties. This race has been very refreshing to see many of the incidents deemed racing incidents.