Red Bull RB7 Renault

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BreezyRacer wrote:
Blackout wrote:Look at the front endplates and the center of the FW

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What kind of sensors are that ? (+ the blue wire)
Nice hi res pic. I don't see any sensors there though .. just reflections off the wing. However if you look closely you'll see they are experimenting with closing off the lower slot with tape, or so it seems to me. The tape is translucent with a blue tint.
The tape is holding down the wiring that Blackout was asking about and you can see really odd cylindrical shapes attached near the frontwing endplates. I think they must be sensors of some sort.

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There is a similar cylindrical shape on the splitter.

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Thats a wierd one. All I can think is maybe they are laser distance sensors to measure the height of the wing from the ground :wink:

They seem to be too big to be anything else, unless they are some sort of actuator for testing purposes

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They're checking how well their "legal cheating" wing is working.
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It looks like they are measuring pitch on the end plates but the one on the tea tray is probably permanent. There is no bulbous ride height sensor hanging down from the nose like there was in previous years.

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myurr wrote:Word in the pitlane is that Red Bull are deliberately running underweight to make their long run times look okay, whilst they desperately work on a B-spec car to bring to the first European race...
I have absolutely no idea where that puts some of the other teams then. :lol:

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The RB7 is looking like a very nice car at this stage. However this pre season iv not had nearly enough time to follow the testing like I have in the past, even with the avalibility of info that comes through Twitter. How 'accessible' is data now compared to 2 years ago!!

Is anyone able to give me a rundown on how the RB7 seems to be placed so far, yes I know that its hard to tell and testing can be tricky to read. From what iv read it seems that its been very promising over long runs, the tyre/tiem drop off is a lot smaller than the other cars, Ferrari is probably the second best in this regard. Iv no idea of the margins that seem acceptable etc...

Also it seems they have done no or very little low fuel running, So from what I can hear it ranges from quietly confident through to miles ahead of the field.

It also seems Merc are in a bit of strife, To early to tell for Macca and Ferrari are looking good too?

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regarding the Front wing, could they possibly be accelerometers? and the blue tape the lead?

or how about ballast? uranium perhaps?
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It seems that the RB7 is super consistent on longs runs as a result of being kind to its tires (like last year).

I'd be shocked if it isnt a rocket ship in Qually trim too!
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myurr wrote:
Diesel wrote:I don't really need to read that, it's probably 12 pages of you saying Red Bull's solution is better. Fact is Renault's solution is getting results, where as Red Bull seem to be running a different exhaust solution every day desperately trying to find performance.
Too true bro. Word in the pitlane is that Red Bull are deliberately running underweight to make their long run times look okay, whilst they desperately work on a B-spec car to bring to the first European race...
I love sarcasm, but the truth hurts. James Allen after sunday testing:Red Bull have been interesting to watch this week, at no stage setting the fastest lap times, staying deep undercover. They obviously have a lot of confidence in this car. Ferrari haven’t really extended their car either and McLaren have been bedding their new car in this week, so all of the top three are being cagey. The feeling persists though that when the time comes for Red Bull to see what the thing will do over a single lap on a low fuel run, it will lead to a collective intake of breath in the F1 paddock.
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The word on Twitter is that the RB7 is the most stable under pretty much all conditions (slow corners, fast corners, braking etc) and very smooth.
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The corners, sure. They were strong last year and it would be weird to expect otherwise this year. But how about the straights?
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Pierce89 wrote:
myurr wrote:
Diesel wrote:I don't really need to read that, it's probably 12 pages of you saying Red Bull's solution is better. Fact is Renault's solution is getting results, where as Red Bull seem to be running a different exhaust solution every day desperately trying to find performance.
Too true bro. Word in the pitlane is that Red Bull are deliberately running underweight to make their long run times look okay, whilst they desperately work on a B-spec car to bring to the first European race...
I love sarcasm, but the truth hurts. James Allen after sunday testing:Red Bull have been interesting to watch this week, at no stage setting the fastest lap times, staying deep undercover. They obviously have a lot of confidence in this car. Ferrari haven’t really extended their car either and McLaren have been bedding their new car in this week, so all of the top three are being cagey. The feeling persists though that when the time comes for Red Bull to see what the thing will do over a single lap on a low fuel run, it will lead to a collective intake of breath in the F1 paddock.
THe sarcasm in my comment was aimed at all the speculation and 'pitlane rumour' posted as fact in some these threads, and inspired by one particular poster who likes to flame any car that isn't a Red Bull without giving an in depth or qualified reason only his 'thoughts'.

I have no doubt that the RB7 will start at the front. I am hopeful that the Ferrari and McLaren will be alongside them, and expect Renault, Williams and Mercedes to be fighting fairly equally behind them.

We have only seen McLaren do one long run, as they're effectively a week behind in their test program. The Red Bull and Ferrari did broadly equivalent runs at the same time. The Red Bull was on the shortest of the three runs, with the Ferrari and McLaren doing a few more laps. The thoughts by the Autosport crew were that the Red Bull and Ferrari were, fuel corrected, on broadly the same pace. The McLaren was a little bit quicker for the first 16 laps, but then suffered more degradation for the final 3 causing a bigger tail off in the times.

This is obviously caveated with not knowing fuel loads or compounds, but hopefully as McLaren launch into a full test program in Barcelona then we'll get some more comparative times.

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I said as much last season (assuming 'that' refers to 'me', of course) and look at what happened. I got no apology for the amount of vitriol I got on that one.......... There was plenty of justification for my views on how the car would do if people cared to read, but as someone else has said, sometimes the truth just hurts too much. :wink:

The Red Bull wasn't really that kind to its tyres last season. The car was designed more to get heat into the tyres fairly quickly, they got themselves into a lead early on and then they managed their pace carefully. This year they've obviously thought very carefully about the drop off in the Pirellis as the consistent laps that Webber did in the 1:23s versus everyone else as they gradually dropped off, or in some cases nosedived, demonstrated.

There's also been hints from Adrian Newey in particular as to what they're concentrating on. When we last had KERS in 2009 many teams didn't run it because the weight that was carried was too much to justify the power increase over the time it was used. The KERS this year is exactly the same with the same amount of power on offer and the time in which it can be used, so getting the most out of it while minimising the penalty will be vital. Things like packaging and weight will have moved on though. Therefore, it's absolutely essential to make the aerodynamics as efficient as possible and minimise drag unless whatever it is that is causing it is going to give you significant usable downforce and a net gain, which is what Newey hinted at in an interview.

You can see the thinking behind the aerodynamic shape of the car in that. The car has no uneven surfaces, airflow is not being asked to route around things like uneven sidepods and it's being channelled as seemlessly as possible to the back of the car without causing any undue turbulence.

They won't have been able to do anything about the power from the Renault, but there is certainly scope to do development with KERS and in how the rear wing is used (in qualifying at least) where they would have had to work very hard to get over the straight line disadvantages they had last year at places like Spa and Monza. It's a very good thing for everyone else they didn't get a Mercedes engine in there.

Frankly, they're making everyone else look like rank amateurs, apart from Renault whose car I've been quite impressed with. Still puzzled by their exhausts but still, they've got things on their car and they haven't mucked around for two or three days making more than just minor adjustments.

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segedunum wrote:It's a very good thing for everyone else they didn't get a Mercedes engine in there.
You mean lose Renaults compact and frugal V8? Wonder how small the RB7's ass would be then! Wonder also how much more fuel they would have to carry.
Perhaps Red Bull have actually utilised the engine to actually make it work for them....
segedunum wrote: Frankly, they're making everyone else look like rank amateurs, apart from Renault whose car I've been quite impressed with. Still puzzled by their exhausts but still, they've got things on their car and they haven't mucked around for two or three days making more than just minor adjustments.
So Renault and Red Bull for the win? Everyone and their dog can tell you Red Bull are ahead at the moment. Thats not saying anything new, nor is it exactly sticking your neck out.
And Renault, what have they done that is sooooo special to make Ferrari Mercedes et al look like amateurs? :?

Be glad your beloved Red Bull RB7 is quick. But to gloat as if to say "I told you so" is a tad unsavoury. The year is a long one, and Red Bull have a tendency to shoot themselves in the foot. And with last years reliability an issue, it will be most interesting to see if under race conditions the cars new tauter and tighter packaging will alleviate any of those concerns.
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