Ferrari F2012

[xpensive]

Official Ferrari Twitter said they will NOT change fron suspension this season!!!
Case closed!!!

Oh, when the Maranello brass is a certified source of the eternal truth, how could I argue with that?

Everyone, including the Toyota Don, realizes that statement is as close to admitting to the contrary as possible.

[marcush.]

somewhere here a point was made that push or pullrod travel would not play a significant role and it was just all a matter of tolerances and dimensioning to make it all work.

That is the theory but really if you got a fixed means of how precise you can manufacture and a fixed state of the art in bearing tolerance you can easily see the lower load more travel alternative has distinct advantages as freeplay ,bearing gap etc will only
feature as small amount in your calcs.
Then look at the ULTRA short lever arm actuating the damper /torsion bar and it all becomes a can of worms as these effects are making up a considerable amount of the suspension movement and you have no chance of control.
Also ..this approach with ever smaller tolerance will tend to give trouble in terms of stickslip effects ,certainly nothing you want to have in a suspension...and as you will always need two bearings you will run potentially into these problems (having a fixed and a floating bearing for example .so you might be forced to use a loose bearing fit to avoid bind but this opens the door for a small amount of play...

[elFranZ]

At first, I was inclined to agree that Ferrari will likely wait until the Mugello test to trial and implement a new exhaust solution, but the win in Malaysia may have changed the script. That race was expected to be a veritable bloodbath; I believe Alonso's quote was that it should be, "a baptism by fire." They likely went into last weekend with the mindset that a points finish would be a victory. Instead...

So, I wonder what, if anything, has changed.

Shanghai doesn't necessarily reward a strong aerodynamic package, but it can punish cars with low top-speed and/or poor traction, problems that have been identified in the F2012. However, the team can experiment rather freely with setup or other developments since it will not arrive at the circuit in the damage limitation mode that would have been the case without last week's win.

Given the similarities between Shanghai and Bahrain, and the safety net of the subsequent Mugello test, Ferrari could, and I think should, "spend" those 25 points from Malaysia, so to speak, and be extremely aggressive.

Sounds very reasonable. And I think Bahrain won't happen at all, on twitter situation is still described as messy, very messy.
Now, according to you all, would a sidepod reshaping, in particular the air intake lower zone, require a new crash test? If I'm not wrong that's were the safety cell begins...

[Crucial_Xtreme]

At first, I was inclined to agree that Ferrari will likely wait until the Mugello test to trial and implement a new exhaust solution, but the win in Malaysia may have changed the script. That race was expected to be a veritable bloodbath; I believe Alonso's quote was that it should be, "a baptism by fire." They likely went into last weekend with the mindset that a points finish would be a victory. Instead...

So, I wonder what, if anything, has changed.

Shanghai doesn't necessarily reward a strong aerodynamic package, but it can punish cars with low top-speed and/or poor traction, problems that have been identified in the F2012. However, the team can experiment rather freely with setup or other developments since it will not arrive at the circuit in the damage limitation mode that would have been the case without last week's win.

Given the similarities between Shanghai and Bahrain, and the safety net of the subsequent Mugello test, Ferrari could, and I think should, "spend" those 25 points from Malaysia, so to speak, and be extremely aggressive.

I hope you're right bro, but it seems there will only be small updates at China & Bahrain(if it happens). In Fernando's Blog on the Ferrari site, he says:

"The next two races will also see us on the defensive and there’s no doubt about that. While we are incapable of being competitive and able to fight consistently for the podium or a win, limiting the damage is the only thing we can do. If the conditions are normal, we must try not to lose too many points compared to the best: let’s hope we can do the same as we did in Australia and Malaysia"

Fernando's Blog- Ferrari Site

Of course this could be tactics to put other teams off, but it seems they won't run a new exhaust until Mugello.

[bhall]

Being aggressive worked in Malaysia, as I'm almost sure Alonso qualified with a wet setup. Retaining the current exhaust doesn't preclude the team from making a like-minded move in China.

[Nflux]

Karthikeyan replaces Massa at Ferrari with immediate effect...wow! Really?

[Nflux]

Best April fools joke...

[Crucial_Xtreme]

Being aggressive worked in Malaysia, as I'm almost sure Alonso qualified with a wet setup. Retaining the current exhaust doesn't preclude the team from making a like-minded move in China.

Right, but I thought the question was about using a new exhaust. "Being on the defensive" to me says not too many new parts. But as you said that doesn't mean they can't be aggressive.

[hardingfv32]

Then look at the ULTRA short lever arm actuating the damper /torsion bar and it all becomes a....

Demonstrate how this applies to Ferrari.

Please provide photos of last years and this years rockers.

You have nothing to demonstrate that the components being used are in fact not exactly the same as last year.

Brian

[bhall]

Best April fools joke...

I'm not so sure I agree with how you define the word, "best."

Right, but I thought the question was about using a new exhaust. "Being on the defensive" to me says not too many new parts. But as you said that doesn't mean they can't be aggressive.

I'd bring a Monza-spec rear wing.

[alogoc]

If it would by some chance rain in China all the cars that have front pull-rod suspension will be favorites!
How many cars have it!?

[raymondu999]

Huh? Why would pull rod be beneficial in the rain?

We seem to be moving from one extreme to another here

[marcush.]

not that I want to dwell too much on it - quite often shitboxes excelled in torrential rain conditions.If your car lacks in terms of stiffness the low grip situation is helping you big time as the forces go down -low grip is a car equalizer in a ways-

[Crucial_Xtreme]

not that I want to dwell too much on it - quite often shitboxes excelled in torrential rain conditions.If your car lacks in terms of stiffness the low grip situation is helping you big time as the forces go down -low grip is a car equalizer in a ways-

Agreed, except you and others can't demonstrate how and/or why the F2012's problem is the front pull rod. Also, the F2012 had pretty decent race pace in Australia & decent race pace in Malaysia in the final stint when it was dry.

[xpensive]

not that I want to dwell too much on it - quite often shitboxes excelled in torrential rain conditions.If your car lacks in terms of stiffness the low grip situation is helping you big time as the forces go down -low grip is a car equalizer in a ways-

Agreed, except you and others can't demonstrate how and/or why the F2012's problem is the front pull rod. Also, the F2012 had pretty decent race pace in Australia & decent race pace in Malaysia in the final stint when it was dry.

As little as we can demonstrate that Santa doesn't xist, but a suspension geometry dependant on a a change of track-with,
will never and ever will, co-xist with my fundamental mechanical engineering understanding. JT might think otherwise.