2016 McLaren F1 Team - Honda

[Sayeman]

Mclaren needs to fire some of the Pit crews. I swear almost every race there has to be one messed up pitstop for the 2 drivers.

[Mansell89]

I think we need to admit that McLaren has all areas to work on if they want to be even daydreaming of podiums in 2017.

Poor.

[adrianjordan]

I think we need to admit that McLaren has all areas to work on if they want to be even daydreaming of podiums in 2017.

I think that's fair.

Poor.

By their long-term high standards, again fair.

[Mansell89]

I think we need to admit that McLaren has all areas to work on if they want to be even daydreaming of podiums in 2017.

I think that's fair.

Poor.

By their long-term high standards, again fair.

And believe me, I say it as one of their biggest fans.

But nowhere have they really looked like they have a good chassis, nowhere has the engine looked good, and at no point have they looked like competing with the main works teams.

They need a HUGE jump. I'm a little deflated to be honest.

I know there is a massive rule change coming but the power unit is absolutely imperative this winter. It's not even about top speed, it's about the overall performance in a lap.

[Pierce89]

Stoffel has won the final Super Formula race at Suzuka.

Finishing the season in 4th place overall, with 2 wins, 1 third place, 1 pole and as best Honda driver. =D>

Awesome

Is super formula a spec series?

Yep but they're quicker than some f1 cars in the corners. The engine is a 2L i4 turbo with fuel limited 100kg/hr(Honda v Toyota)

[SameSame]

Mclaren needs to fire some of the Pit crews. I swear almost every race there has to be one messed up pitstop for the 2 drivers.

Definitely. Remember how dearly the pit stops cost them in 2012 with a championship winning car.

I wonder what else they could have done strategy wise. Stopping on lap one would be risky. This is the exact reason why those bullet proof tyre's make races even more boring.

[techman]

good job by jenson even though he had a ERS problem, race pace was good for a one stopper. hopefully in 2018 jenson and vandorne will partner for Mclaren . i dont think anyone would want alonso for the salaray he is asking. mclaren need drivers that motivate the team and not whinners

[mclaren111]

Hasegawa:

“We also had some issues with our power units, Fernando suffering from an anomaly in the ICE whereby we were forced to detune the output, and Jenson showed a temperature rise in the ERS whereby he wasn’t able to use the maximum performance mode at the end of the race. I am mostly disappointed as it feels like we have unfinished business and couldn't challenge enough on the track.

Let's just hope they - McLaren & Honda - have learned some valuable lessons this weekend for 2017 [-o< [-o<

[Andres125sx]

They need another HUGE jump. I'm a little deflated to be honest.

Corrected that for you sir

From past season to this one they improved 3 position in the WCC (from 9th to 6th) and multiplied their points by a factor of 3 at least (27 vs 74 with two races to go). Ok the starting point was pathetic, but they received the deserved bashing past season, this one we must analyse how much they improved, and they improved quite a lot, specially the PU improved more than I thought possible considering the token restriction.

Heck they´ve improved to the point they´re doing laptimes for first row of past season grid consistently. Problem is not lack of development of McHonda, but the rest also improved a lot and that´s hidding McHonda development.

A similar step forward next season, and they´ll be fighting for podiums and even some sporadic victory when front runners have some problem


BTW I don´t see anyone claiming they have a great chassis, people say they have fourth chassis. In my book that´s far from praiseworthy for McLaren, but they have 4th chassis and 7-8th PU, so the weakest part is still the PU

This said, in my imagination they only have 4th chassis because they´re not developing the chassis in 2016 season, they´re preparing 2017 unit wich requires new concepts, so they´re using 2016 season as a looong pre-season testing. At least that´s what I´d have done in their position, remember they said from day one this is a long term project, so it would be utterly stupid to waste resources to develop 2016 chassis

[mrluke]

I think we need to admit that McLaren has all areas to work on if they want to be even daydreaming of podiums in 2017.

Poor.

QFT

[bauc]

The team did improve dramatically over 2015 and trough 2016 and I'm expecting to see them fighting for podiums next year. Only thing I'm afraid of is if Mclaren looses focus for development of 2017 while bashing with inside politics about Ron's position and the implication it might have on the hierarchy there. The last thing that Mcalren needs now is change of key staff members and their responsibilities.

[ALO_Power]

mclaren chassis is high drag inefficient chassis compared to TR. TR dont run monkey wings or the batman wing i believe in mexico, and they chassis is much better than mclaren in mid speed corner, it all down to good efficient downforce unlike mclaren, who will run all the wings they can see other run but will still be slow. mclaren really need to check their aero correlations if they are to compete next year, because they will be expose when the FIA starts monitoring the engine performance, and cant hide behind honda like they are doing now. e.f1i.com 15:23 - Unsurprisingly, both Toro Rossos are the slowest through the speed trap with their year-old engine. 350kph for Sainz and 348kph for Kvyat. That's over 15kph slower than Mercedes-powered Massa.. mclaren have a chassis problem that they need to address they really want to compete next year.

Get over it. Everyone else thinks you're wrong. Go cheer FOR a team instead of against one. Its sad, really.

Everyone is not You. You is just YOU! I am Everyone and i do not think he is wrong.

2nd troll or 2nd account? I guess the latter. Keep trolling guys, if you think that's gonna influence other people to your troll side or that will give you pleasure go ahead and do it giving wrong data and stupid opinions.

Anyway, that race was very bad in terms of strategy in my opinion. Alonso could have got a good result with his stellar starts and driving but sadly everything got wrong for him. (since at this track is really hard to pass as we saw) He made a good start but Sainz got him on the grass but he held the car fantastically. What a skill ! I thought that race was over after seeing his McLaren sideways on gravel with such speed. Not only he saved it but he didn't lose the position. However his good start was past after that. Also the ICE problem with the de-tuned power output made things even worse for him plus the wrong strategy and mistake in pit stop. Anyway, I hope the team learns from it and give us a competitive 2017. Also, Button had a little ERS issue. Probably all of this were from the high altitude.

[diffuser]

good job by jenson even though he had a ERS problem, race pace was good for a one stopper. hopefully in 2018 jenson and vandorne will partner for Mclaren . i dont think anyone would want alonso for the salaray he is asking. mclaren need drivers that motivate the team and not whinners

wow, you're looking waaaaaay into the future.

I personally Don't care if he Whines or not and to be quit Frank it's one of the ways that Fernando whips the factory. (unless of course you think that McLaren's Chassis is the best ! ). I personally think he's had MUCH to complain about over the last 2 years.

We have no idea if Vandorne has what it takes. Up until now we've found out that Vandorne's a king among boyz. F1 is full of Drivers with Vandorne's credentials that don't have Fernando's abilities. We'll find out next year how good he is among MEN.
Then we can start looking at what we'll do in 2018.

[Mansell89]

They need another HUGE jump. I'm a little deflated to be honest.

Corrected that for you sir

From past season to this one they improved 3 position in the WCC (from 9th to 6th) and multiplied their points by a factor of 3 at least (27 vs 74 with two races to go). Ok the starting point was pathetic, but they received the deserved bashing past season, this one we must analyse how much they improved, and they improved quite a lot, specially the PU improved more than I thought possible considering the token restriction.

Heck they´ve improved to the point they´re doing laptimes for first row of past season grid consistently. Problem is not lack of development of McHonda, but the rest also improved a lot and that´s hidding McHonda development.

A similar step forward next season, and they´ll be fighting for podiums and even some sporadic victory when front runners have some problem


BTW I don´t see anyone claiming they have a great chassis, people say they have fourth chassis. In my book that´s far from praiseworthy for McLaren, but they have 4th chassis and 7-8th PU, so the weakest part is still the PU

This said, in my imagination they only have 4th chassis because they´re not developing the chassis in 2016 season, they´re preparing 2017 unit wich requires new concepts, so they´re using 2016 season as a looong pre-season testing. At least that´s what I´d have done in their position, remember they said from day one this is a long term project, so it would be utterly stupid to waste resources to develop 2016 chassis

They have developed no doubt, but I think people underestimate just how much dominance in so many areas that Merc have that they have to get correct all in this short winter.

It's such a fast moving development train that they really do need another huge jump. A change in regs provides half an opportunity in that sense- I really hope it's something that they focussed on for theee years but I just don't get that impression from what we read.

One thing that fills us with hope is the advanced stage they are at with the power train for this season. Hopefully they can get close to Ferrari and then push on to get closer to Mercedes.

[techman]

Kasio and I are not the same person but it goes to show people are not fooled by the BS Eric Boullier tells us.

We know how many times mclaren have said they will be winning and this was during their mercedes engine years and they failed. I am one person who is very happy the FIA has taken measure to test these engine in 2017, this will definelty show the reality of the mclaren problem.

Honda also need to toughen up, they cant be a weak puppet to ron ,they need to find a good team like TR that could provide a decent chassis to really see the potential of the engine. I also know ron blocked a few of them, but honda have to force it or else they will be blamed for everything. just imagine if renault hadnt supplied redbull this season,. poeple would be saying honda is more powerful than renault, because the reanult f1 car is much slower than mclaren. renault are very lucky they have redbull and honda, they once again failed to take the opportunity.