2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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j_ste wrote:
26 Apr 2025, 12:29

The Sprint is different but it’s still a race. As evidenced by Max winning so many of them. As is the qualifying for the sprint race.

Nobody is out there just dossing around.
Let me poke that bubble with a stick.
People do 'doss around' a little but when it comes to the sprint race. They don't indulge in as much wheel to wheel racing as much as they do in an actual race, because :
a) small number of points + without pitstops -> unless there is tremendous race pace advantage over the car ahead, no point speeding up and getting into the under/over-cut window
b) risk of crash which can result in non-participation in quali, even if the car can get ready for Sunday race.

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According to Duchessa, the current state of Ferrari's PU is still a mystery to even Ferrari's leakers, so any articles discussing their PU being bad are not based on inside information but just assumptions because they think Ferrari being quiet = Ferrari being bad. However AR think Ferrari is being quiet because they want to stay out of the spotlight, not as an indication of their PU strength.

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venkyhere wrote:
26 Apr 2025, 14:25
j_ste wrote:
26 Apr 2025, 12:29

The Sprint is different but it’s still a race. As evidenced by Max winning so many of them. As is the qualifying for the sprint race.

Nobody is out there just dossing around.
Let me poke that bubble with a stick.
People do 'doss around' a little but when it comes to the sprint race. They don't indulge in as much wheel to wheel racing as much as they do in an actual race, because :
a) small number of points + without pitstops -> unless there is tremendous race pace advantage over the car ahead, no point speeding up and getting into the under/over-cut window
b) risk of crash which can result in non-participation in quali, even if the car can get ready for Sunday race.
Point making. Usually the fast cars in the sprint, are the fast cars in the race.

What happened in China this year, was the first time…in a dry weekend, that a sprint has been won by a team/car that was completely off the pace, in the main Grand Prix.

So the idea that what happened that weekend is somehow, “fake”, for lack of a better word. Is unfair. It’s more of a revelation of the difficulties in setting up that Ferrari…which they clearly aren’t doing very well on that side of garage.

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ScuderiaLeo wrote:
26 Apr 2025, 15:26
According to Duchessa, the current state of Ferrari's PU is still a mystery to even Ferrari's leakers, so any articles discussing their PU being bad are not based on inside information but just assumptions because they think Ferrari being quiet = Ferrari being bad. However AR think Ferrari is being quiet because they want to stay out of the spotlight, not as an indication of their PU strength.
but there were report from recent engine metting with fia that redbull and ferrari were pushing for less electric power, and rumor is that they both are lagging behind in that area :cry:

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ScuderiaLeo wrote:
26 Apr 2025, 15:26
However AR think Ferrari is being quiet because they want to stay out of the spotlight, not as an indication of their PU strength.
Is that bit on twitter, as I can’t find anything there.

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I think pushing for less electric will always be a Ferrari desire. It's better for their car sales and loyal customer base.

From the current engine and all their racing programs, I would say they can only build a strong PU for next year.
Ferrari do not have a split turbo engine, and yet they have worked around that to make a pretty good package thus far.
The split turbo runs cooler and is more compact and has less compromise on the intake runner space. Yet, Ferrari's engine is still good.
If they go split turbo next year.. I think they will have the best engine. The electric side I am confident they have a good base already.
For Sure!!

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j_ste wrote:
26 Apr 2025, 15:29
venkyhere wrote:
26 Apr 2025, 14:25
j_ste wrote:
26 Apr 2025, 12:29

The Sprint is different but it’s still a race. As evidenced by Max winning so many of them. As is the qualifying for the sprint race.

Nobody is out there just dossing around.
Let me poke that bubble with a stick.
People do 'doss around' a little but when it comes to the sprint race. They don't indulge in as much wheel to wheel racing as much as they do in an actual race, because :
a) small number of points + without pitstops -> unless there is tremendous race pace advantage over the car ahead, no point speeding up and getting into the under/over-cut window
b) risk of crash which can result in non-participation in quali, even if the car can get ready for Sunday race.
Point making. Usually the fast cars in the sprint, are the fast cars in the race.

What happened in China this year, was the first time…in a dry weekend, that a sprint has been won by a team/car that was completely off the pace, in the main Grand Prix.

So the idea that what happened that weekend is somehow, “fake”, for lack of a better word. Is unfair. It’s more of a revelation of the difficulties in setting up that Ferrari…which they clearly aren’t doing very well on that side of garage.
I think it's a fair generalization but there are already a few counter examples just in the recent sprints. Just see Austin/Qatar last year.

What happened that weekend was Lewis Hamilton showed he can still have great moments. What it absolutely did not show was if he can keep up with Leclerc who will great moments almost every time.
Call a spade, a spade.

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DoctorRadio wrote:
26 Apr 2025, 16:55
Is that bit on twitter, as I can’t find anything there.
Giuliana said it in their last stream, near the end when they were discussing upgrade timelines.

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The new AR article is just a reiteration of what they said in their last stream, but I will share it for people who missed it.

The SF-25 has not delivered the expected responses, and problems have emerged that Loic Serra and his team are trying to fix. The car has shown flashes of excellent potential — but only intermittently. In this sense, Miami will be a crucial stop for the Scuderia, seeking further positive signals while awaiting future developments.

The SF-24 had trouble heating the tires, starting the lap with a delay already in hand. This year, the sensations are similar but the situation slightly different: the SF-25 has a weak rear and an imperfect, variable balance, stemming from a ride height above its optimal operating window. Rear-end stiffness problems, already reported, along with related aerodynamic issues, are limiting the SF-25 with a domino effect. Right now the engineers have a short blanket, and the setup is always a compromise between slow, medium, and fast corners. In Jeddah, they chose to favor fast corners, sacrificing performance in slow ones — and in qualifying, this loss amplified, especially in Sector 1.

The new floor helped: compared to Suzuka (a similar track to Jeddah), Ferrari lost more in the slow corners (due to setup choices and qualifying issues) compared to McLaren but gained on the straights and in medium-speed corners, reducing the high-speed deficit with a roughly one-tenth improvement, as expected.

The qualifying problems are tied to the lack of grip and downforce that strain the SF-25 when running Softs. All these issues trace back to one root cause: ride height. Lowering the car would bring downforce, grip, and performance. As Loic Serra said early in the year: “When you shift something in these cars, you inevitably influence everything else.” Every adjustment triggers a ripple effect, for better or worse. The floor introduced in Bahrain wasn’t meant to fix problems only discovered later — it had been in development since winter. At Maranello, they are working on solutions aimed at unlocking that famous hidden potential, although nothing major is expected yet for Imola.

Every driver would prefer a perfect or at least well-balanced car, but that's a rare luxury. Leclerc favors a weaker rear but razor-sharp front — just like with the F1-75 and now with the SF-25. As was said before Bahrain testing, the engineers designed a car with a strong front end but underestimated how unstable the rear would be. Leclerc carved out a setup path that’s building his confidence and letting him extract more performance, while Hamilton is lost.

“At the moment, Hamilton can’t feel the rear end — it doesn’t give him trust. When he brakes or turns in, he’s lacking the confidence in how the rear will behave, making him brake earlier, slower at mid-corner, and struggling even on throttle exit, with a rear end that just isn’t solid enough,” Matteo Bobbi analyzed for us during the last AutoRacer live stream on Twitch. “It’s a technical issue,” Bobbi emphasized, laying the responsibility squarely on Ferrari to improve the SF-25.

“A stronger rear wouldn’t hurt Leclerc either,” he added pointedly. Lewis Hamilton struggles; Charles Leclerc gives his all but doesn’t have the machinery needed to fight the others. Upgrades that limit or even erase the current SF-25’s flaws would benefit both Ferrari drivers, not just Hamilton.