Scuderia Ferrari 2012

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TheRMVR wrote:I don't really get it. So Ferrari say they took some risk with the F2012, something the fans said they were always afraid to do. Now they're proud to have taken some risk. Now it turns out it doesn't really work the way they wanted. And now all hell breaks loose. And what do they do? They go back to their old conservative ways, undo all the risk and revert back to a 'safer' option.

Fry said the exhausts in their original position worked best but it was unstable and unpredictable. It's exactly on that point that Ferrari have to show that they are willing to really take risk. Continue on that path, make it work. Suffer a few races but make it work. Don't go back to a safer option just because Luca starts yelling and losing his temper.

The team doesn't work well at the moment, they have no clue what they want. Wether the F2012 turns out to be quick or not, their team needs to figure out which way they want to go.
If there are reliability issues then Ferrari might not finish any of the races. Or worse as Fry said the car could work in a short window & fade off or go 3-4s off its pace throughout the race. If that happens then Ferrari might not get any points in the first 3-4 races as it will take them atleast 3-4 races to sort it out(Fry said).

With a conventional exhaust & Alonso's skill they might atleast claw back 25-26 points in the first 3-4 races & they will be in a position to fight. If they get 5-7 psoints per driver then it IS SEASON over for Ferrari. I think it is a sensible decision. Ferrari will get 2 Unlimited Days of Testing at Mugello & they will probably run a completely revised rear end including sidepods.

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Mr.S wrote:
TheRMVR wrote:I don't really get it. So Ferrari say they took some risk with the F2012, something the fans said they were always afraid to do. Now they're proud to have taken some risk. Now it turns out it doesn't really work the way they wanted. And now all hell breaks loose. And what do they do? They go back to their old conservative ways, undo all the risk and revert back to a 'safer' option.

Fry said the exhausts in their original position worked best but it was unstable and unpredictable. It's exactly on that point that Ferrari have to show that they are willing to really take risk. Continue on that path, make it work. Suffer a few races but make it work. Don't go back to a safer option just because Luca starts yelling and losing his temper.

The team doesn't work well at the moment, they have no clue what they want. Wether the F2012 turns out to be quick or not, their team needs to figure out which way they want to go.
If there are reliability issues then Ferrari might not finish any of the races. Or worse as Fry said the car could work in a short window & fade off or go 3-4s off its pace throughout the race. If that happens then Ferrari might not get any points in the first 3-4 races as it will take them atleast 3-4 races to sort it out(Fry said).

With a conventional exhaust & Alonso's skill they might atleast claw back 25-26 points in the first 3-4 races & they will be in a position to fight. If they get 5-7 psoints per driver then it IS SEASON over for Ferrari. I think it is a sensible decision. Ferrari will get 2 Unlimited Days of Testing at Mugello & they will probably run a completely revised rear end including sidepods.
So what? Being second for Ferrari is equal to a lost season. You talk about getting some points in the first 3 or 4 races. What will that change? That right there is being conservative once again. Screw those points, get the car fixed. Don't go all conservative to save a few points and lose the season anyways. That would be 2008, 2009, 2011 all over again. If they really believe in the new car then they should stick with it. I'd rather they get no points in the first 3 races but end up winning a few races an be second at the end of the year than getting decent points the first couple of races, not win a single race and end up third.

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TheRMVR wrote:
Mr.S wrote:
TheRMVR wrote:I don't really get it. So Ferrari say they took some risk with the F2012, something the fans said they were always afraid to do. Now they're proud to have taken some risk. Now it turns out it doesn't really work the way they wanted. And now all hell breaks loose. And what do they do? They go back to their old conservative ways, undo all the risk and revert back to a 'safer' option.

Fry said the exhausts in their original position worked best but it was unstable and unpredictable. It's exactly on that point that Ferrari have to show that they are willing to really take risk. Continue on that path, make it work. Suffer a few races but make it work. Don't go back to a safer option just because Luca starts yelling and losing his temper.

The team doesn't work well at the moment, they have no clue what they want. Wether the F2012 turns out to be quick or not, their team needs to figure out which way they want to go.
If there are reliability issues then Ferrari might not finish any of the races. Or worse as Fry said the car could work in a short window & fade off or go 3-4s off its pace throughout the race. If that happens then Ferrari might not get any points in the first 3-4 races as it will take them atleast 3-4 races to sort it out(Fry said).

With a conventional exhaust & Alonso's skill they might atleast claw back 25-26 points in the first 3-4 races & they will be in a position to fight. If they get 5-7 psoints per driver then it IS SEASON over for Ferrari. I think it is a sensible decision. Ferrari will get 2 Unlimited Days of Testing at Mugello & they will probably run a completely revised rear end including sidepods.
So what? Being second for Ferrari is equal to a lost season. You talk about getting some points in the first 3 or 4 races. What will that change? That right there is being conservative once again. Screw those points, get the car fixed. Don't go all conservative to save a few points and lose the season anyways. That would be 2008, 2009, 2011 all over again. If they really believe in the new car then they should stick with it. I'd rather they get no points in the first 3 races but end up winning a few races an be second at the end of the year than getting decent points the first couple of races, not win a single race and end up third.
My guess is that Fry is pulling wool over our eyes about reverting to a conventional exhaust solution. I think he's trying to discourage other teams trying to attempt investing time and money copying it by saying it's so complicated and having lost so much time figuring it out blah blah. They reverted to the conventional exhaust after 2 weeks of testing? I think by then they had enough info around the aero and 'radical' exhaust solution and changed back to a conventional system to work mainly on setup and tyres to first of all compare and also to discourage other teams following their first concept. Just my 2 cents though and possibly nothing more than wishful thinking.
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Gene said they had no problem with their wind tunnel

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I am in no way a mechanical engineer, but I cannot help myself ask what the hell is going on.
Gene says that Wind Tunnel is OK.
PF says that they lack downforce.
drivers say that they have a lot of work to do...

First of all, if they lack downforce either the simulator/wind tunnel gave them other numbers, or the engineering set them very low. In any case, they do the same error as of 2009...
Second, they are not sandbagging. No way... They have huge problem and they don't know what is going on...

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tpe wrote:I am in no way a mechanical engineer, but I cannot help myself ask what the hell is going on.
Gene says that Wind Tunnel is OK.
PF says that they lack downforce.
drivers say that they have a lot of work to do...

First of all, if they lack downforce either the simulator/wind tunnel gave them other numbers, or the engineering set them very low. In any case, they do the same error as of 2009...
Second, they are not sandbagging. No way... They have huge problem and they don't know what is going on...
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97915

what the...?? they don't seem to decide where they think they are...

myurr
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Moanlower wrote:My guess is that Fry is pulling wool over our eyes about reverting to a conventional exhaust solution. I think he's trying to discourage other teams trying to attempt investing time and money copying it by saying it's so complicated and having lost so much time figuring it out blah blah. They reverted to the conventional exhaust after 2 weeks of testing? I think by then they had enough info around the aero and 'radical' exhaust solution and changed back to a conventional system to work mainly on setup and tyres to first of all compare and also to discourage other teams following their first concept. Just my 2 cents though and possibly nothing more than wishful thinking.
And that may just work, had the other teams not already managed to get it working... :P

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Ferrari will win races as long as they keep their development level up to par with the other teams. The top 5 or 6 teams are so close together that I think they will each have their turn at wins.
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The good old days.. :(

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Peter Prodromou is from Cyprus indeed. He is my compatriot too and also a friend with a great character. To me he is real genius with true passion for F1 and -along with Adrian Newey- the very reason RBR is on top of this game!

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I got feathers and tar ready!

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One piece of the jigsaw: Renault was faster than Ferrari in testing. Can they turn it around in AUS?

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97997
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n smikle wrote:One piece of the jigsaw: Renault was faster than Ferrari in testing. Can they turn it around in AUS?

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97997
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n smikle wrote:One piece of the jigsaw: Renault was faster than Ferrari in testing. Can they turn it around in AUS?

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97997
Barcelona is much more a downforce specific track than Melbourne park. If the Lotus was quicker over a race distance, they bound to look even better at this track.

The other problem might be the apparent lack of traction of the F2012, wich is very important at Melbourne.

Anyway, its best to just wait till friday and see how they fare in free practise vs the others.