2013 Testing - Barcelona 1: 19 - 22 Feb

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Yes, at the end of the race they will run with wet tyres :lol:

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dren wrote:Actually, hell yes, great job. It'll be exciting with more stops!
i love when you have 3-4 pitstops in one race, but anything more then that is nuts. having race with 7 regulars pitstops is crazy. i would shoot that guy who produced that kind of tire.
this will only make people more carefull and driving behind car till this is one go in box. every overtaking will in next lap cause you over one second slower time then before. you still want having race like that?

go home pirelli, your'e drunk.

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Its maybe no coincidence that McLaren went balls to the wall on improving stops for the coming seasons.

With "guaranteed" 3/4 stops per race, you can easily knock seconds off your overall race time.

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I think Perez have exaggerated a little but the tyres deg is too high.

Rosberg, Vettel, Alonso, Hulkenberg, Di Resta, all of them have said the tyres deg is extreme. Alonso even say you have only one lap to eveluate the new pieces on the car, because after the first lap the tyre is dead.

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I was wondering if we could find the sector times, but I guess not.

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Lorenzo_Bandini wrote:I think Perez have exaggerated a little but the tyres deg is too high.

Rosberg, Vettel, Alonso, Hulkenberg, Di Resta, all of them have said the tyres deg is extreme. Alonso even say you have only one lap to eveluate the new pieces on the car, because after the first lap the tyre is dead.
Pirelli need to go, there comes a point where this isn't even interesting anymore. 1 lap before the tyres drops of??? If true, and it certainly seems that it might be based on the time sheets, then this is a farce. I like a close championships but I don't watch F1 because it is a demonstration on how best to preserve your tyres.

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Lorenzo_Bandini wrote:I think Perez have exaggerated a little but the tyres deg is too high.

Rosberg, Vettel, Alonso, Hulkenberg, Di Resta, all of them have said the tyres deg is extreme. Alonso even say you have only one lap to eveluate the new pieces on the car, because after the first lap the tyre is dead.
It's all very well having high deg to spice up the racing but all that extra rubber just ends up reducing the width of the track with the masses of marble debris. I hope it doesn't turn out to be counter productive.

With the performance of the cars so close Q3 could be a sit out with teams knowing the cost in getting pole is too. These deg rates could mean an end to Quali as we know it.

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I wonder how hard the cars that don't make it into Q3 will start attacking those who can't use fresh rubber?

For instance, this data seems to point to the event that Perez in a McLaren might not even need to make Q3 once in the whole season to still be able to score podiums

Just seems weird to me, can't think it'd be like that :shock:

OR, the teams could simply be sending people out to go hard on the tyres for a lap or two to get them to a particular heat or level of wear (due to the irregularly cold track compared to race weekend), then checking how the tyres perform/how fast the tyres degrade after reaching that level of wear/heat.

The dramatic initial drop off in lap times may actually be completely intentional and all the talk in front of the cameras is dustbin material.

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Last year, all of them were saying that the degradation it was too high.
We got first 7 races with 7 different winners, opening the wolrdchampionship to all of them.
Everyone knew by the end of the season they will learn and improve the behaviour of the tyres, so pit stops will be reduced.
This year I am expecting the same, crazy beginning where even middle field cars with good drivers have a chance to get ahead and by the end of the season stabilize again.
So IMO bring on another exciting year. I was sick of predictable races that the bridgestone tyres brought to the F1

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dren wrote:Actually, hell yes, great job. It'll be exciting with more stops!
No, it won't. Unless the idea of an exciting race is a showcase of pit stop speed & technology with no actual racing.
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f1316 wrote:I was wondering if we could find the sector times, but I guess not.
sadly no, only individual lap times, but not split times - those are available only on the monitors in barcelona.

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GrizzleBoy wrote:I wonder how hard the cars that don't make it into Q3 will start attacking those who can't use fresh rubber?

For instance, this data seems to point to the event that Perez in a McLaren might not even need to make Q3 once in the whole season to still be able to score podiums

Just seems weird to me, can't think it'd be like that :shock:

OR, the teams could simply be sending people out to go hard on the tyres for a lap or two to get them to a particular heat or level of wear (due to the irregularly cold track compared to race weekend), then checking how the tyres perform/how fast the tyres degrade after reaching that level of wear/heat.

The dramatic initial drop off in lap times may actually be completely intentional and all the talk in front of the cameras is dustbin material.
i think everything would be much more interesting and first of all, reasonable, if the FIA got rid of the stupid 'race on the tire you qualified' - rule. its an old rule put in place in a time when the tires were different, it has no place now and it's been ruining the sport and the entertainment of qualifying.

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GrizzleBoy wrote:Barcelona Day Two Timesheet
1. Sergio Perez, McLaren, 1:21.848, 97 laps (Soft tyres).
2. Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, 1:22.197, 84 laps (Soft tyres).
3. Kimi Raikkonen, Lotus, 1:22.697, 43 laps (Medium tyres).
4. Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes, 1:22.726, 121 laps (Hard tyres).
5. Fernando Alonso, Ferrari, 1:23.247, 76 laps (Medium tyres).
6. Valtteri Bottas, Williams, 1:23.561, 98 laps (Soft tyres).
7. Daniel Ricciardo, Toro Rosso, 1:23.718, 70 laps (M).
8. Paul di Resta, Force India, 1:23.971, 62 laps (Medium tryes)
9. Nico Hulkenberg, Sauber, 1:24.205, 88 laps (Medium tyres)
10. Max Chilton, Marussia, 1:25.115, 67 laps.
11. Charles Pic, Caterham, 1:26.243, 102 laps.
That time from Lewis is very impressive on the hard tyres. Perez is claimed too set his best lap on a low fuel stint on the softs.This season will be interesting.
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andrewf1 wrote:
i think everything would be much more interesting and first of all, reasonable, if the FIA got rid of the stupid 'race on the tire you qualified' - rule. its an old rule put in place in a time when the tires were different, it has no place now and it's been ruining the sport and the entertainment of qualifying.
The tyres encourage smooth and steady driving even in qualifying, the most exciting drivers to ever grace the sport were not smooth and steady. It's so disappointing as a Hamilton fan to see him doing everything to prevent destroying his tyres, I just hope that the teams get on top of them quickly because testing doesn't look too promising.

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That's why I always preferred the Bridgestones, they allowed drivers to push without fear of losing the tyres. These days a driver behind can't push like mad, catch up to, and engage a thrilling battle with another driver because by the time they get there they won't have any tyres left!