Red Bull RB10 Renault

[H2H]

So far the they had to dealt with a surpising number of different issues:

1) The wrongly mounted spring which proved to be very time-consuming to remove due to the tight packaging
2) The overheating of components after the rebuilding
3) Renault-specific problems with the powerpack/batteries as stated by Renault
4) Issues with the way the Renault system was packaged
5) Still overheating ...

Overall the test was a nightmare for RBR and they lost a good deal of ground compared to competitors like Mercedes, Ferrari and McLaren. Not only did the car have many issues and Renault some troubles they also were unable to test a host of other things.

It would of course be very foolish to write them off, but their chances to defend the titles have certainly not increased...

[VarioR]

They have had a fair chance to get it right, renault have had the same time as the rest to get their act together. Red Bull also has the biggest budget on the paddock, if anything they had more than their fair chance.

The car also seems to be packaged in such as way that it is exasperating an existing problem. I don't feel sorry for them, collectively they missed the bulls eye for the first test. They will thread the needle eventually.

it is NOT a Renault problem, but a specific rbr problem due to the tight packaging. the car was not tested before with all elements in place. that is the object of this test. find the problems and then eliminate them. rbr are not the first to have packaging problems. remember merc and Ferrari last year? relatively easy to overcome, but newey has to work out the best way to do it without compromising other parts of his design

The problem is that, they are loosing time resolving this problem while they should focus on performance and solving small problems.

Like you said Mercedes and Ferrari had this problems in previous years and they lost a lot o time trying to solve them, especialy Mercedes.

I belive that they will be strong in Australia but this is not a good start.

[Shakeman]

They have had a fair chance to get it right, renault have had the same time as the rest to get their act together. Red Bull also has the biggest budget on the paddock, if anything they had more than their fair chance.

The car also seems to be packaged in such as way that it is exasperating an existing problem. I don't feel sorry for them, collectively they missed the bulls eye for the first test. They will thread the needle eventually.

it is NOT a Renault problem, but a specific rbr problem due to the tight packaging. the car was not tested before with all elements in place. that is the object of this test. find the problems and then eliminate them. rbr are not the first to have packaging problems. remember merc and Ferrari last year? relatively easy to overcome, but newey has to work out the best way to do it without compromising other parts of his design

I don't know how repackaging the internals of the car could be described as relatively easy to overcome.

We see teams repackage the cars over a course of a season but that's a refinement process, this situation for RB looks like a fundamental rethink.

We're seeing why RB was a runaway success towards the backend of the season because the other teams had focussed on 2014. I hope the RB team are able to remember those days as Vettel suggested because that might be the only consolation they have this season.

I don't think this is the in the same league as McLaren faffing about with their octopus exhaust who were able to turn things around by bolting on a copycat solution at the 11th hour.

[Webber2011]

Ok, dumbo question here so please bear with me

That hole they cut out seems to me to be around where I'd expect the radiators to end, and the really hot stuff like exhausts about to start.

Can they use something like that legally when the racing starts, or would it be against the rules ?

Cheers,
Simon

[PhillipM]

What exactly is overheating at that specific point?

Apparently a lot of the battery control/charging/discharging controllers are packaged tight in the bottom of the sidepods, so I imagine that's what they're trying to get cool air around.
That's why the bottom of the Caterham sidepods are so bulky in test guise.

[ajprice]

Did they cut both sides of the car, or just the one side in the pictures?

[NTS]

Both sides, there are pictures in the Jerez testing thread of how one side looks "nicer" cut than the other.

[Harsha]

RBR finished Testing in Jerez
https://twitter.com/redbullracing/statu ... 9822159872 This is Horrible start from RBR a situation they never been. Lets see how they come out in Bahrain
The Only thing is we didn't know how much RBR was capable of in terms of pace

[SilverArrow10]

RBR finished Testing in Jerez

https://twitter.com/redbullracing/statu ... 9822159872
This is Horrible start from RBR a situation they never been. Lets see how they come out in Bahrain
The Only thing is we didn't know how much RBR was capable of in terms of pace

We don't know about anyone in terms of pace yet. Its still a guessing game as to who is fastest, we will find out in Bahrain and Red bull will be there. Don't know how well they will do but they will be there.

[SectorOne]

we will find out in Bahrain and Red bull will be there. Don't know how well they will do but they will be there.

I don´t think we´ll know even there. After Q3 in Australia we will know who´s really the top dog.

[Harsha]

We don't know about anyone in terms of pace yet. Its still a guessing game as to who is fastest, we will find out in Bahrain and Red bull will be there. Don't know how well they will do but they will be there.

Yes but we need to wait until Some races(3-4) to see who is on top. But i believe RBR will be there

[Jonnycraig]

This is Horrible start from RBR a situation they never been. Lets see how they come out in Bahrain

Eh? In 2011 they missed the first test entirely.

Makes sense for them to leave. Renault have already isolated the ERS issue and it couldn't be solved for this test so they could either run around with ERS disabled like Caterham & a Toro Rosso, but with their added cooling issues not even getting much of that, or going home.

we will find out in Bahrain and Red bull will be there. Don't know how well they will do but they will be there.

I don´t think we´ll know even there. After Q3 in Australia we will know who´s really the top dog.

Newey said the other day they expect the initial group of flyaways to be purely engine dictated so it could be some time before we get a settled picture.

[Ozan]

Adrian Newey should give up thinking about tight packaging as he had done earlier years, and should move on to a conservative cooling package.

[Harsha]

Eh? In 2011 they missed the first test entirely.

Makes sense for them to leave. Renault have already isolated the ERS issue and it couldn't be solved for this test so they could either run around with ERS disabled like Caterham & a Toro Rosso, but with their added cooling issues not even getting much of that, or going home.

You mean 2010??
Yes its waste to run with out ERS and its better to go back home and redesign your car to fix the Cooling issues

[xDama]

Adrian Newey should give up thinking about tight packaging as he had done earlier years, and should move on to a conservative cooling package.

Yeah, why push for the limits, right? That's not what F1 is about