Sounds like you're the one who needs to be realistic.Chene_Mostert wrote: This is season 2015 and they are now miles behind the competition.
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Sounds like you're the one who needs to be realistic.Chene_Mostert wrote: This is season 2015 and they are now miles behind the competition.
#aerogollumturbof1 wrote: YOU SHALL NOT......STALLLLL!!!
They have a new Engine, along with a completely new design philosophy! great thing's don't happen overnite and it will take time. But I disagree strongly with your comment that a test is not to trace problem's! this is the only way they will be able to do more mileage with the engine. Seem's to me that everyone just want's to bash McLaren and not look at what they should realistically be able to achieve after each day's testing.Chene_Mostert wrote:Yes but they are not doing enough laps to perform all the "tests" that you are suggesting. The Idea behind test days are to test, not trace problems.Manoah2u wrote:as stated in the jerez testing thread, it's all good news for Honda.
they are actually doing better compared to last year's new engines. Remember, this is Honda's first real test.
Mercedes stalled after a couple of corners. Fires. Hamilton ran straight into the barriers due to a loose front wing.
Honda is actually making complete laps, without problems. that's good news.
the sound is normal; they are installation laps, testing modes, and finding bite points, finding torque, finding revs, and testing simulations in real life. They will be carefull not to damage anything. Meanwhile, they will check on fluids, oils, etc.
Looking at if all their simulation data indeed comes out in real life like they wanted to. Testing temperatures. Testing engine mapping. Testing with and without ERS on.
It's actually very promising. Mercedes did not have such great laps on their first test last year, and they did win,win,win and win. they became champions. And i'm not even mentioning the other manufacturers of last year. Remember Renaults problems? ugh, that was some serious stuff, and in the end, it all did end up well in Melbourne.
Honda is miles ahead compared to the competition last year.
We saw last year that all the teams that struggled during the tests were on the back foot for most of the season, spending hours in the garage was not a good sign last year and it has not changed for 2015 - we need to be realistic
Being miles ahead of were they were last year means nothing, This is season 2015 and they are now miles behind the competition.
Mercedes already stated that they are using their very new engine. On the other hand, it is not going too well for McLaren Honda, though it could be worseManoah2u wrote:Mercedes running so many laps is more a clue that they aren't running a 'too' updated engine. Rather aerodynamics.Mesteño wrote:Yes I agree. Mercedes running so many laps is discouraging in some way too, but in the end you have to reach a number of hp, some good aero and have good drivers. The speed of reaching that goal it doesn't matter that much til the first race.
Which could still come, yet. For all we know they could be housing the 2014 spec engine in the 2015 model car, which would give a good view of the aerodynamic updates, without 'wasting' time on (non-neccesarily) engine changes.
They might put up some engine changes tomorrow, hell merc could slam in a 2015 engine tomorrow and encounter many sorts of problems (or not) and get the same effects as Honda has now.
for all we know, Honda could be running 100 laps tomorrow, who knows.
It's clear Ferrari, Renault and Honda are testing engines.
Mercedes? i'm not sure about that.
Actually this is the first time they will have run the MP4-30 and Honda Power Unit out on a live race track, therefore they are bound to have issues they need to work through and sort out which will and have limited their running. It's not the case that McLaren could simply bolt in the Honda Power Unit and have it up and running smoothly enough for Alonso to be setting fast lap times. They have a lot of things to learn about how the car and power unit work together, and that simply isn't achievable on day 1 of testing. Even as I type this you can be sure McLaren and Honda engineers will be pouring over the data they've received and reports on problems picked up in the garage. I think it might not be until the final test until we start to see a glimpse of the Honda's performance level. Simply attacking McLaren for the usual testing issues you get when testing a new power unit/engine and a new car is rather silly. If they continue like this through all the tests and into the first few races then you might have a point. And this is the thing, McLaren Honda will be catching up with the competition over the course of the season. I'm viewing it as a development year, though I'd be very happy if either Alonso or Jenson win a race at some point, though I'm not holding my breath.Chene_Mostert wrote:Yes but they are not doing enough laps to perform all the "tests" that you are suggesting. The Idea behind test days are to test, not trace problems.Manoah2u wrote:as stated in the jerez testing thread, it's all good news for Honda.
they are actually doing better compared to last year's new engines. Remember, this is Honda's first real test.
Mercedes stalled after a couple of corners. Fires. Hamilton ran straight into the barriers due to a loose front wing.
Honda is actually making complete laps, without problems. that's good news.
the sound is normal; they are installation laps, testing modes, and finding bite points, finding torque, finding revs, and testing simulations in real life. They will be carefull not to damage anything. Meanwhile, they will check on fluids, oils, etc.
Looking at if all their simulation data indeed comes out in real life like they wanted to. Testing temperatures. Testing engine mapping. Testing with and without ERS on.
It's actually very promising. Mercedes did not have such great laps on their first test last year, and they did win,win,win and win. they became champions. And i'm not even mentioning the other manufacturers of last year. Remember Renaults problems? ugh, that was some serious stuff, and in the end, it all did end up well in Melbourne.
Honda is miles ahead compared to the competition last year.
We saw last year that all the teams that struggled during the tests were on the back foot for most of the season, spending hours in the garage was not a good sign last year and it has not changed for 2015 - we need to be realistic
Being miles ahead of were they were last year means nothing, This is season 2015 and they are now miles behind the competition.
2016 I guess.KingHamilton01 wrote:Something to cheer everyone up, Ron Dennis has confirmed livery will change but won't say when! booooo!
Ha! No...he said 2015 livery specifically...FrukostScones wrote:2016 I guess.KingHamilton01 wrote:Something to cheer everyone up, Ron Dennis has confirmed livery will change but won't say when! booooo!
My thoughts also!Manoah2u wrote:Mercedes running so many laps is more a clue that they aren't running a 'too' updated engine. Rather aerodynamics.Mesteño wrote:Yes I agree. Mercedes running so many laps is discouraging in some way too, but in the end you have to reach a number of hp, some good aero and have good drivers. The speed of reaching that goal it doesn't matter that much til the first race.
Which could still come, yet. For all we know they could be housing the 2014 spec engine in the 2015 model car, which would give a good view of the aerodynamic updates, without 'wasting' time on (non-neccesarily) engine changes.
They might put up some engine changes tomorrow, hell merc could slam in a 2015 engine tomorrow and encounter many sorts of problems (or not) and get the same effects as Honda has now.
for all we know, Honda could be running 100 laps tomorrow, who knows.
It's clear Ferrari, Renault and Honda are testing engines.
Mercedes? i'm not sure about that.
Ok I'm sure it's an edited clip but that is a great video clip. The engine sounds good (far from perfect) and the car looks better.Mesteño wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpHwEFGlMQI
#aerogollumturbof1 wrote: YOU SHALL NOT......STALLLLL!!!
