Sebastian Vettel has taken a surprise win at the Hungarian Grand Prix, taking the lead of the race at the start to never give it up. The action happened behind him though, as incidents caused many position changes throughout the race, allowing both Red Bulls to complete the podium.
Fuji 2007, Lewis outfoxed Alonso and next SC he let Vettel and Webber crash into eachother.GPR-A wrote:Either the team screw Lewis at Safety car instances OR he himself seems to be sleeping when the restart happens OR gets too pumped up and does mistakes. I don't recall one instance where Lewis made good use of safety car restart and jumped anyone. A golden opportunity after the f****ed up race start, but lost it completely.
I dont necessarely disagree, just wanted to point out that it taking place right after the restart of the race at some bearing on the incident and its outcome. The reason why i perhaps would have labeled it a racing incident would be for the same reason that often, incidents at the start of a GP are often looked at with a bit more tolerance, because there is more unpredictability. I am perfectly fine with him receiving a penalty for it though.Sevach wrote:Hamilton was clearly the one to blame even if all he did was pick an optimistic braking point, Ricciardo was again holding his line and was collided into with a certain violence and forced out of the track, and since i don't think the FIA should punish based on the consequences... i think his penalty was completely fair.
https://vid.me/kBxISeriously his engineer should've called him out on his stupidity today instead of giving him what he wanted, it was that dumb.stuartpengs wrote:
I just don't get Rosberg's mindset, he always seems more concerned about how he can beat Hamilton, even when he's behind him. The tactician in him is compromising his racing spirit and it's costing him dearly.
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As for the race pace of Ferrari; to be honest, i think Ferrari was pushing more than they led to believd because they were probably thinking of a 3 stop, but Rosbergs non existant pace made the 2 stop a no-brainer. Hamilton was the quickest merc by far and i think he would have been quicker. Beating two Ferraris around this circuit would have been difficult though, even in the quicker merc, although Rosberg who didnt feel comfortable all race, started to reel in Vettel at the end on identical tires. Vettel only drove off because Ricciardo was quicker than both and he [Rosberg] needed to defend.
Yes I agree, but take that further, it was dumb before it came out his mouth. His mindset isn't where it should be; had it been he may never have been in the position that eventually brought about his downfall today. It's something that's even more apparent this season.Sevach wrote:
Seriously his engineer should've called him out on his stupidity today instead of giving him what he wanted, it was that dumb.
It's like he feared being on a different tyre, lest that give Lewis an advantage, instead of thinking being on the soft could give him an advantage.stuartpengs wrote:Yes I agree, but take that further, it was dumb before it came out his mouth. His mindset isn't where it should be; had it been he may never have been in the position that eventually brought about his downfall today. It's something that's even more apparent this season.Sevach wrote:
Seriously his engineer should've called him out on his stupidity today instead of giving him what he wanted, it was that dumb.
I am basing it on the fact that prior to the race, the consent was that the 3 stop was only about 3 seconds slower than a 2 stopper. With both the Ferrari ahead of both Mercedes, it wasnt clear yet if they were creating that gap due to being on a 3 stop (running a higher lap delta) or if indeed they had a pace and tire performance to make it a 2 stop. Hindsight shows us that a 2 stop was perfectly viable, also because Rosberg didnt put any pressure on both Ferrari. They put him on the prime middle stint and the Ferrari just drove off. So yes, it was a 2 stop, but i think circumstance (and track position) came to them brilliantly. I think if hamilton had been behind the two ferrari, they might have had to be more creative, either by splitting strategy in order to protect their lead, essentially what Williams should have done in Silverstone.Sevach wrote:I don't see what makes you think Vettel (or Raikkonen) were stopping 3 times, they went longer than Mercedes in stint one(while gaping Nico comfortably), and their final stop (25 laps to the end) was forced by the SC, they still had tire life to use at that point.
Vettel was probably aiming for 20 laps or so to the end, i don't need to tell you it makes no sense split this little laps into 2 stints.
Exactly. He said after the race that he was happy with the race up until the coming together with Ricciardo. So he was happy to run around in third. That's just ridiculous. Hamilton made some mistakes (and admitted he messed up the entire thing after the race and that's why he said sorry to the team on the radio) but he never stopped racing. Rosberg just sat there and thought "Hamilton is behind me so I'm ok". Well, Nico old chap, Vettel is the same number of points behind you as you are behind Hamilton. If you keep today's attitude for the rest of the season then you'll see Vettel or Hamilton crowned champion and you'll be in a distant third.ChrisM40 wrote:Exactly this. He is so concerned about Hamilton he cant see what anyone else is doing, half the time even himself. He needs to learn that to beat Lewis he needs to beat everyone else to.stuartpengs wrote:
I just don't get Rosberg's mindset, he always seems more concerned about how he can beat Hamilton, even when he's behind him. The tactician in him is compromising his racing spirit and it's costing him dearly.
What kind of explanation is that? They weren't ready because they didn't intend to use them even as an option regardless of safety car? Why couldn't they change their call, did they throw the tyres away or what? That's worse than Monaco then, I expect similar investigation."That was an unfortunate situation, because at that time our default tyre was the medium,” said Wolff. “It was 28 laps until end, and that was too much for soft. And when the virtual safety car was deployed, when we pitted, that was just the lap where we would have converted the default tyre from the hard [medium] to the soft. But the soft wasn’t ready."
:Ricciardo had the third clear penalty ignored, all three causing collisions (after Silverstone start and Monaco). Why even attempt clean overtakes after that? Still one behind the leader with four, really uncompromising fight for safety and driving standards by FIA."We don’t know yet, that’s two races in a row now that we’ve been overtaken from the start and everything else came as a consequence"
You can't leave tyres in the blankets indefinitely. You'll cook them.iotar__ wrote:http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/rosbe ... rappy-day/What kind of explanation is that? They weren't ready because they didn't intend to use them even as an option regardless of safety car?"That was an unfortunate situation, because at that time our default tyre was the medium,” said Wolff. “It was 28 laps until end, and that was too much for soft. And when the virtual safety car was deployed, when we pitted, that was just the lap where we would have converted the default tyre from the hard [medium] to the soft. But the soft wasn’t ready."
No, they were just cold.Why couldn't they change their call, did they throw the tyres away or what? That's worse than Monaco then, I expect similar investigation.
