Reducing the drag of a two element wing through stall

[cupidstunt]

What if the knee valve only opens some kind of valve or flap in the airbox to feed massive amounts of air to the wing from the diffuser opening?

Having a valve or flap would be clearly breaking the rules, it's not even a grey area. From http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/rules ... 5/fia.html

"3.15 Aerodynamic influence :
With the exception of the cover described in Article 6.5.2 (when used in the pit lane), the driver adjustable bodywork described in Article 3.18 and the ducts described in Article 11.4, any specific part of the car influencing its aerodynamic performance :
- must comply with the rules relating to bodywork.
- must be rigidly secured to the entirely sprung part of the car (rigidly secured means not having any degree of freedom).
- must remain immobile in relation to the sprung part of the car."

[cupidstunt]

What if there is a small unicorn in the airbox, who is fed beans and expels high pressure air at the blown wing.

Theres nothing in the rules about an active unicorn.

Now there's an idea that I can get behind. Though open to suggestions on the imaginary animal to be used.

[Pup]

Further research gives promise to the unicorn theory...

The phenotype of a unicorn varies greatly with the sub-species. The older type are goat-sized and are no more than 160 lbs. The largest are smaller than the large plow horses.

[cupidstunt]

Further research gives promise to the unicorn theory...

The phenotype of a unicorn varies greatly with the sub-species. The older type are goat-sized and are no more than 160 lbs. The largest are smaller than the large plow horses.

I bet you could genetically engineer one small enough, but it might limit the volume of air produced.

[Giblet]

cupidstunt - ha I just got your name as I typed it and said it aloud.

Forget the valve, the rules clearly state that after all, but all that is needed is a pressure differential between the airbox flow, and the 'knee valve' to bring air from the feeder through the hole into the blown wing.. That would explain the different sized holes they were testing for the top half of the airbox.

Big holes are not needed at 150mph+. There is a lot of pressure to play with at that speed.

Just for the record, I am not sure how this could work, but I think that an open mind to what is possible could be good. Renault's mass damper, the Mclaren interter, and the DDD were all outside the scope of what we know before we learned of their concepts, and results.

[Pup]

There was a report a few years back that there is a genetics lab at the MTC, under the lake. Dismissed as rumor at the time.

[autogyro]

All this to define a good BJ.

I do not think it is done to induce drag but to smooth flow.

At least that is what she tells me and who am I to argue.

[cupidstunt]

cupidstunt - ha I just got your name as I typed it and said it aloud.

Forget the valve, the rules clearly state that after all, but all that is needed is a pressure differential between the airbox flow, and the 'knee valve' to bring air from the feeder through the hole into the blown wing.. That would explain the different sized holes they were testing for the top half of the airbox.

Big holes are not needed at 150mph+. There is a lot of pressure to play with at that speed.

Just for the record, I am not sure how this could work, but I think that an open mind to what is possible could be good. Renault's mass damper, the Mclaren interter, and the DDD were all outside the scope of what we know before we learned of their concepts, and results.

Okay, so while I can't dismiss the idea entirely, I still think it sounds a bit too witchcraft-y for my liking. This could of course be due to my extremely limited understanding, but I still like the increasing cockit pressure to reduce turbulence around the cockpit opening idea better. Sounds a lot more straightforward and common sense.

[timbo]

IMHO the idea with driver blocked duct is not very likely.
The way I see it, for it to be reliable (e.g. wing must not go into stall accidentally when you're in 130R) the pressure difference in whatever device driver has input on has to be too high for driver to control.

[mike_dangerous]

What if there is a small unicorn in the airbox, who is fed beans and expels high pressure air at the blown wing.

Theres nothing in the rules about an active unicorn.

Don't be silly. Unicorns are far too heavy.

I believe they have bred a Shetland Unicorn specifically for this application...

[Raptor22]

What if there is a small unicorn in the airbox, who is fed beans and expels high pressure air at the blown wing.

Theres nothing in the rules about an active unicorn.

Don't be silly. Unicorns are far too heavy.

I believe they have bred a Shetland Unicorn specifically for this application...

I doubt a Unicorn would apply for the job.....

but a platypus....now a platypus might just do the trick

[Pup]

What if there is a small unicorn in the airbox, who is fed beans and expels high pressure air at the blown wing.

Theres nothing in the rules about an active unicorn.

Don't be silly. Unicorns are far too heavy.

I believe they have bred a Shetland Unicorn specifically for this application...

I doubt a Unicorn would apply for the job.....

but a platypus....now a platypus might just do the trick

Red Bull were seen conducting similar experiments, but were unable to source a unicorn on short notice...

[Shrieker]

Hi. This is my first message here. I had a lot of fun going through the pages, thanks to everyone who has contributed.

Some people have asked how such a small duct and a hole in the cockpit can have an impact on the rear wing air flow.

Think of it this way: When you fill a glass of water and turn it upside down, the water pours out. But when you cover it with a piece of paper and turn it upside down, the pressure difference keeps the water in the glass. Similarly, if you dip a straw halfway in water and pull it out, you'll only get a few drops of water in the straw. However, if you close the top side of the straw with your finger after you dip the the straw and then pull it out, again the pressure difference will cause the water to stay in the straw.

These are much more direct examples compared to what I'd like to explain. I mean, if such an eleborate system such as altering the airflow to the rear wing by covering a small hole somewhere exists, it doesn't necessarily have to be directly connected to the airflow which travels through the shark fin. It can act as a 'pressure switch' as suggested.

At the moment it may seem far too fetched, but I'm sure someone has called the first person ever to suggest putting a wing on an F1 car a'lunatic' in the late 60's.


@pup,

Lol is that Vettel ?

[TheMinister]

All this to define a good BJ.

I do not think it is done to induce drag but to smooth flow.

At least that is what she tells me and who am I to argue.

The key is in getting as much into her airbox as possible without choking it.

[Pup]

@pup,

Lol is that Vettel ?

According to myth.