European GP 2010 - Valencia

[Giblet]

he got a drive through for that and propably lost the chance to win the race!

Yes, but it sure took them a looong time to take a decision.
And he still had a chance to win the race if Vettel had a problem, which happened this season.

They need to really clarify the rules, and make them less situation dependant. When the yellow light comes on your steering wheel, you should pass NOBODY, including the safety car, regardless of while lines, lack of white lines, etc, until race control gives you the go ahead to do so.

A safety car rarely comes out for one lap. Teams need to stop looking for a huge advantage due to the SC. They get burned more often than they get rewarded.

[Giblet]

As for the F-Dust, unless Webber got his hand sucked into it, I don't see how it made any difference to this. Well maybe .5%.

If the fduct was activated while upside down in the air, he would have sailed farther

[siskue2005]

he got a drive through for that and propably lost the chance to win the race!

Yes, but it sure took them a looong time to take a decision.
And he still had a chance to win the race if Vettel had a problem, which happened this season.

yup the decision was late
but IMO its nothing to do with favouring Lewis as Alonso and his fans are claiming
first of all its really difficult to pick it up
Which i am sure Ferrari would have helped out by complaining
second to get the right footage and to make a decision on it is not easy
And moreover it was just a few small meters and small micro second difference between Lewis and SC...it wouldnt have been easy for FIA

But we have seen this slow decisions from FIA for a long time
like Singapore 2008 (that was even more stupid than this), Spa 2008
JPM in 2004 Indy was DSQed after 50 laps

[Giblet]

Alonso > "Manipulated race"
what a whinger
He was crying through out the race .... whining , bitching and complaining about others .
http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/62327 ... ated-race-

SO, if a driver directly in front of him illegally overtakes safety car and looses nothing in result is Alonso supposed to be happy?

The Ferrari PR are squealing and twittering about races ruined, yada yada, how does Hamilton getting his penalty or otherwise materially ruin where Alonso would have emerged after his pitstop?

His team even told him, act wise, run your own race.

He lets the fire take over sometimes to his detriment as often as to his gain.

Yeah sure Hamilton, and new wing, would have been stuck behind Alonso, but that wouldn't help Alonso get past the crowd of cars that were still in his way to serious points. It just shows where his head is at - 2007, still? in 2010? Seriously? Starting to look foolish.

All this, the radio traffic and his petted-lip afterwards, it's clear that Alonso's head is still as fragile as it ever was.

That has been the form-card on Alonso since the start, fast enough, but mentally weak, anything goes wrong, and psychologically the wheels fall off.

Hamilton and McLaren if they are smart should be playing up on this weakness now it has been so publicly exposed. Keep noising Fernando up, quit the nicey-nice FOTA bollocks, go after him personally and watch him fall apart at the seams.

They should do themselves a favour, now they know they are still in his head, ratchet up the aggro and watch him pop.

Waaaaahmbulance on it's way.

He lets his fire take over to his detriment as often to his gain.

[jason.parker.86]

I think the reason the Ferrari and Alonso are pissed is because they were caught out. Alonso thinks that Hamilton should have got a penalty, and had it been dished out earlier he would have been stuck in traffic, meaning he would be back in 7-8th.

However, he didnt so Alonso should shut the --- up and go home.

We all know the Stewards and FIA together could not organise a piss up in a brewery, and the FIA rule books need ripping up and making alot more clearer.

[timbo]

first of all its really difficult to pick it up
Which i am sure Ferrari would have helped out by complaining

So, you are saying Ferrari were wrong to show this to race control?

second to get the right footage and to make a decision on it is not easy
And moreover it was just a few small meters and small micro second difference between Lewis and SC...it wouldnt have been easy for FIA

But we have seen this slow decisions from FIA for a long time
like Singapore 2008 (that was even more stupid than this), Spa 2008
JPM in 2004 Indy was DSQed after 50 laps

Yes it happens. And I don't think it's manipulation personally. But I do understand Nando's reasons to think so.

[segedunum]

Wow glad mark walked away

In the past he would have been killed there - and frankly he would have deserved it. 100% his fault. These accidents follow Mark around consistently when he is in any kind of traffic.

Wtf? Deserved dying? What is wrong with you?

This is motorsport. It's dangerous. Drivers in the past have been killed for less silly decisions that that one. Marshalls or spectators could have been killed there. The guy just can't cut it.

[feni_remmen]

So lets say you force all cars to run at Safety Car Vector times from the moment the SC board is out. It would penalise the the cars that have started a lap before the SC, just as it did today. It would also mean the SC wouldn't be needed!

[segedunum]

If you want definitive confirmation as to why Mark Webber is no good and why he's had a lot of DNFs in his career, we've just had it. He is a lucky boy to get a contract for next year with drivers like Kubica, Heidfeld and Raikkonen available.

He already has a contract for 2011 with rb

One wonders why......................................

[Giblet]

This is motorsport. It's dangerous. Drivers in the past have been killed for less silly decisions that that one. Marshalls or spectators could have been killed there. The guy just can't cut it.

Nobody deserves dieing man. That is just harsh, and inhuman. Don't defend a statement like that. 1 foot of difference and it could have been a mere punctured tire and broken wing.

Sebastian has taken people out on a SC lap for the love of Pete.

Humans make mistakes. Period.

[segedunum]

Webber could have just choose to turn right before Kov slowed down for the corner, but no... He chose to follow Kov and when Kov slowed for the corner, Webber was too close to react. This could easily been avoided had Webber chosen not to follow and just turn on the opposite direction which leads to an easy overtake.

We saw a completely identical situation with Massa following a Force India, and Massa had the presence of mind to think ahead and brake early for the corner so he didn't go into the back of the car in front and then try again.

Webber simply cannot overtake or defend a position in traffic. It's been conclusively proved for years now.

[segedunum]

Nobody deserves dieing man. That is just harsh, and inhuman. Don't defend a statement like that. 1 foot of difference and it could have been a mere punctured tire and broken wing.

Straw clutching. Decent drivers who could actually race in traffic have died in the past for less of a mistake then that, that's my point. To be honest I wouldn't have been surprised to see Mark seriously hurt. Motorsport is dangerous enough as it is without stupidity like that.

'Mark Webber will get somebody killed' is something I have said in the past. Better him then an innocent bystander to be honest. It's brutal, but that's motorsport and I've raced enough to know that attitude. You are either good enough or you're not.

Humans make mistakes. Period.

Some more than others.............consistently.

[Giblet]

Force India != a Lotus.

So in your eyes, Kovy didn't brake early?

I do think your comment was overly harsh, no straw clutching required.

We disagree on Mr. Webber. That is OK to do.

[siskue2005]

hers is the pic, u can see how close it is

[Goran2812]

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