Sebastian Vettel has done what he needed to. He stuck his head down, gave it all and won the race. Ferrari's terrible strategy and McLaren's good form here have given him the world championship, well deserved. Lewis Hamilton is second, Jenson Button third.
in the past penalties have been handed for much less, e.g. Alonso in Monza 2006. So , it depends how the stewards will look at it.komninosm wrote:EDIT: Not penalty worthy though, since Hamilton went completely out of track to avoid Massa and didn't actually impede him. But had they crashed it would have been mostly his fault imo.
Much less than what? Nothing? No contact? No slowdown? I already said that it would have been mostly Hamilton's fault, but come on. Had Massa slowed down and tucked in behind Hamilton then you might have a point.vall wrote:in the past penalties have been handed for much less, e.g. Alonso in Monza 2006. So , it depends how the stewards will look at it.komninosm wrote:EDIT: Not penalty worthy though, since Hamilton went completely out of track to avoid Massa and didn't actually impede him. But had they crashed it would have been mostly his fault imo.
impressed with button? he's the world champ and 4 tenths down on his team mate AGAIN!Giblet wrote:I am disappointed in Webber, impressed by Hamilton and Button, and as good a performance as it was, I completely expected Alonso to do what he did. Split the Red Bulls.
komninosm wrote:Much less than what? Nothing? No contact? No slowdown? I already said that it would have been mostly Hamilton's fault, but come on. Had Massa slowed down and tucked in behind Hamilton then you might have a point.vall wrote:in the past penalties have been handed for much less, e.g. Alonso in Monza 2006. So , it depends how the stewards will look at it.komninosm wrote:EDIT: Not penalty worthy though, since Hamilton went completely out of track to avoid Massa and didn't actually impede him. But had they crashed it would have been mostly his fault imo.
EDIT: Wait I don't remember Alonso in Monza 2006, got any video of it or something?
Definitely.deus1066 wrote:Apparently both drivers were on outlaps:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 186840.stm
From thinking Hamilton was out of order being in the way and blocking Massa's fast lap, I now think Massa is at fault for chopping across Hamilton when they were both on outlaps.
Massa deserves a penalty then.
think theyre discussing Monza 2006!raymondu999 wrote:What? Alonso got a 5place penalty? :s
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74il02wkvMI[/youtube]raymondu999 wrote:What? Alonso got a 5place penalty? :s
How so? LH had moved off the racing line, and Massa was going faster on the racing line? LH should of gave the corner, he had no idea what lap Massa was on.deus1066 wrote:Apparently both drivers were on outlaps:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 186840.stm
From thinking Hamilton was out of order being in the way and blocking Massa's fast lap, I now think Massa is at fault for chopping across Hamilton when they were both on outlaps.
One weird thing about that 2006 video, if Alonso was not on a fast lap, why did he stay in front of Massa for an entire lap? Or was Alonso doing a fast lap too?vall wrote:But if both Massa and Hamilton were on out laps, then no offence from either side.
According to the BBC Alonso wants hamilton to WIN, I suppose its less risky than him trying to pass Vettle, so I dont think there'll be any fireworkd between themraymondu999 wrote:Understatement of the century, that is.andrew wrote:The real fireworks at the start could potentially be between Hamilton and Alonso. Best bud's they are not.
Sean H wrote:How so? LH had moved off the racing line, and Massa was going faster on the racing line? LH should of [tsk tsk grammar] gave the corner, he had no idea what lap Massa was on.deus1066 wrote:Apparently both drivers were on outlaps:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 186840.stm
From thinking Hamilton was out of order being in the way and blocking Massa's fast lap, I now think Massa is at fault for chopping across Hamilton when they were both on outlaps.
I don't think there should be a penalty, but it was clearly LH fault.
LH already has 1 repremand this weekend, another and he may be looking at a grid spot penalty.
Penalty for what? Getting chopped? Seriously guys this Ham-hate has to stop. It is too rampant in this site. Can't you be a bit more objective? Look at my first post on the matter. I initially said it would have been Ham's fault IF they had collided (which they didn't, Ham went all the way out of track to avoid it). Now if Massa was also on an outlap it is clear he was at fault and pushed Hamilton out of the track. Penalty should be given to Massa OBVIOUSLY. [sorry]