Mclaren MP4-30 Honda

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DiogoBrand wrote:
Moose wrote:
DiogoBrand wrote:Nice updates, that engine cover always looked like the weak link of the "size zero" design. Spa will definitely be a measure of what to expect for the rest of the season.

Unrelated: Can somebody explain why is that air filter on the fuel lid when the car is in the pits?
It's a breather - to stop build up of fuel vapor mixed with oxygen in and around the car.
Isn't it easier to just leave it closed?
If it heats up or cools down from when you closed it then you create a pressure difference. And even a small amount of residual fuel can evaporate to fill the whole tank with flammable gas.
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Macklaren wrote:
My interpretation of what Arai was saying is, on a track like Hungry that takes the PU power out of the equation, if you're not doing well, it's on the car(as a whole). So if McLaren had a better chassis/aero they would have finished higher up in Quali, it wasn't cause of a lack of grunt. RBR do have a better chassis/aero and they did fare better.

On the other hand the Hungry Honda PU doesn't have enough grunt to get you where you want to be on a track like SPA.
If that is indeed what Arai intended to say, then he is either delusional or has a very short memory. Both cars had technical problems in qualifying (granted neither was really the engine 's fault - for a change) that crippled them at critical times and led to the utter embarrassment of Alonso pushing his car into the pits. Qualifying was no standard to measure the chassis by... The final result, while somewhat flattering, proved that the car had top-10 speed despite a weak engine.
YEah not sure what I was thinking when I wrote that.... The point I was trying make was that the only thing that makes sense to me with regards to what Arai was trying to say is ...at a track like hungry the PU wasn't the limiting factor in lap time, the chassis/aero was.

With regards to the final results, take the points and forget it. They don't mean anything. They we're 13th after the 3ird corner and I don't think they could have qualified higher than that/

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diffuser wrote:
Macklaren wrote:
My interpretation of what Arai was saying is, on a track like Hungry that takes the PU power out of the equation, if you're not doing well, it's on the car(as a whole). So if McLaren had a better chassis/aero they would have finished higher up in Quali, it wasn't cause of a lack of grunt. RBR do have a better chassis/aero and they did fare better.

On the other hand the Hungry Honda PU doesn't have enough grunt to get you where you want to be on a track like SPA.
If that is indeed what Arai intended to say, then he is either delusional or has a very short memory. Both cars had technical problems in qualifying (granted neither was really the engine 's fault - for a change) that crippled them at critical times and led to the utter embarrassment of Alonso pushing his car into the pits. Qualifying was no standard to measure the chassis by... The final result, while somewhat flattering, proved that the car had top-10 speed despite a weak engine.
YEah not sure what I was thinking when I wrote that.... The point I was trying make was that the only thing that makes sense to me with regards to what Arai was trying to say is ...at a track like hungry the PU wasn't the limiting factor in lap time, the chassis/aero was.

With regards to the final results, take the points and forget it. They don't mean anything. They we're 13th after the 3ird corner and I don't think they could have qualified higher than that/
True, it was mostly (if not exclusively) luck that got them there, and as much as you tell me that luck acted against them on a number of occasions(to which I don't agree), they can't count on luck if their objective is to get a world title.
For me Spa will be the real thermometer, the performance they achieve there will probably carry on to the rest of the season.

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RicME85 wrote:Interesting what they have done with that spine cooler
Yeah, looks like the weight will be going lower and further back, which should be good for their traction. Perhaps a bit of a headache for setup this weekend.
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I think the new layout is more to do with air intake temperatures, and PU thermal management.

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If they changed the combustion concept maybe the air intake routing and flow dictates/influenced the new layout.

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on sectors 2 and 3 ....3kmh down from faster car and 23 kmh on 1 sector!!!!
very poor accelerate with 7 gear and worst with 8 ....decrease speed on full throttle eith 8 ....

i think ron must do engine office at woking with high level people from ferrari-mercedes ....for work with mclaren electronics and give a route for work in japan.....honda alone spend to much time allmost for nothing....

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I'd wait and see first, they're probably collecting data before ramping it up a bit - the car seemed to stop almost dead at around 300kph which was strange.

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Changes to the Brake Duct as well (Centre):

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PhillipM wrote:I'd wait and see first, they're probably collecting data before ramping it up a bit - the car seemed to stop almost dead at around 300kph which was strange.
admittedly not fastest, but not 300 neither
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Guys calm down, it's PP rubbish aerodynamics that's holding honda back! :roll:
Just a fan's point of view

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Honda PU the problem:

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McLaren's qualifying pace deficit through the speed traps in the first half of the 2015 F1 season :cry: