Ferrari F2012

[raymondu999]

The car is probably already IN Shanghai. The cars go straight from Malaysia.

[marcush.]

yes ,from a pure engineers point of view absolutely right .
BUT:
some of us ,maybe all can read eyes and behaviour of people in this all and to me it´s very telling how Alonso is able to drag that dog to totally impossible results and Massa who is really occupied with his own set of problems just cannot.
In a ways it´s saying a lot about our eyeball engineering when we debated Mercedes tyre issues as early as the first three testdays and the team itself still at pains it´s not really an issue but a setup window misplacement....
Looking at issues from a distance is sometimes not the worst of approaches,methinks.Still no claim to know better than the very best but after all being human is what qwe all have in common -so we are only aware of 30%of reality at best.

[banibhusan]

Most probably, according to credible sources, they will be testing a new floor/diffuser or more famously known as the "Bryne floor". Although you can not rule out a new FW also, if the rumours after the Malaysian GP were to be believed.

[banibhusan]

Pat Fry said that they have 5 updates for China with some that are less visible. But the overall package is important for Spain.

via @Truezonef1

[Crucial_Xtreme]

Pat Fry said that they have 5 updates for China with some that are less visible. But the overall package is important for Spain.

via @Truezonef1

Here is the video where Fry discusses the F2012 and China updates.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeI_MwuxRfo[/youtube]

[ell66]

while the exhaust situation certainly is'nt helping ferrari, i dont see them becoming a force even with it rectified, seems like flawed car.

you're obviously entitled to your opinion, but your basis for forming said opinion is flawed. The F2012's problem are related to the exhaust & aerodynamics. Even with said flaws the F2012 race pace has been better than many other teams. It's equal to Lotus, whom you seem to think is very fast and just behind the leaders. If you look at the numbers from Australia, the F2012(Alonso) is right there with Lotus, better than Mercedes. And obviously in Malaysia it was better than all but one team.
So that says to me if they can get their problems with the car sorted, more likely than not the car will be competitive. But only time will tell.

I disagree, the lotus is a superior car and the next few races will show that.
lets not forget the williams of maldonado was faster than alonso in aus, im sure ferrari will move forwards but theyve got a very big challenge on there hands to be the 3rd fastest car.

[Richard]

Stick to features on the car please.

"lotus is better than Ferrari" belongs in the team thread

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[F1.Ru]

Pat Fry in Autosport.com

"Damp low grip conditions suit our car and flatter some of the issues we have with the F2012 at the moment.

we will have five updates for China, some are quite visible, others less so. Then there will be a bigger upgrade package for Spain.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/98686

From the 1st para it confirm our idea that Ferrari is lacking in the aero section and they don't have or not having major problem in their mechanical grip section. Which conform the theory that there was no or little problem with their front pull rod suspension setup.

Nd in the 2nd part pat fry confirm that they r bringing 5 upgrades, most probably to deal with all this problem they r having.

I m thinking that the new parts that we can see will be a new FW, Nose hole [may be], williams style break duct [although they already have something like that ].........

share ur thought........

[bhall]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/98686

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share ur thought........

0.8 seconds off the pace, which makes the F2012 the fifth or sixth-fastest car at the moment.

Pat Fry in Autosport.com "Damp low grip conditions suit our car and flatter some of the issues we have with the F2012 at the moment.

Amongst other adjustments, a wet setup increases ride height and softens the suspension, and those changes specifically negate two compromises made on the F2012.

I wonder if I can get a degree in eyeball engineering from ITT Tech.

And yes, I'm an ass. That's not exactly breaking news, though.



(For those not here in the States, that ITT Tech joke is funny as hell.)

[Crucial_Xtreme]

0.8 seconds off the pace, which makes the F2012 the fifth or sixth-fastest car at the moment.

Pat Fry in Autosport.com "Damp low grip conditions suit our car and flatter some of the issues we have with the F2012 at the moment.

Amongst other adjustments, a wet setup increases ride height and softens the suspension, and those changes specifically negate two compromises made on the F2012.

I wonder if I can get a degree in eyeball engineering from ITT Tech.

And yes, I'm an ass. That's not exactly breaking news, though.



(For those not here in the States, that ITT Tech joke is funny as hell.)

Ben I'm graduating in 2 months from ITT. Your joke isn't very funny at all.

LMAO!! Just kidding, I graduated from Georgia Tech. Anyway, about the Ferrari, 5 updates is a good starting point. Especially considering they weren't going to bring these updates until Spain originally. So kudos to design & manufacturing. I expect maybe 0.2s possibly 0.3s from the updates maybe? I don't think 0.2s is too much to expect, but with other teams bringing updates they expect to give them 0.2s, we need ours to be 3 tenths or more. Not likely though.

I will be looking intently to see what are the new changes.

[Crucial_Xtreme]

It is true that you can't really translate upgrades into lap times. At best, its an indicator of the order of magnitude of performance that they expect from the upgrade. Keyword being expect.

In addition, even if the upgrades make them faster, it will not necessarily gain them grid or track position, as plenty of other teams will be bringing upgrades.

You and Marcush keep wanting to say this, yet Technical Directors from different teams quantify these updates with an expected gain in lap times.

Lotus- 0.2s
"We're bringing new parts which should add up to around two tenths of a second improvement in lap time," Allison said."

McLaren- reasonable step in performance/lap times
"We have quite a few upgrades for this event, on pretty much all sections of the car. So we’re hoping for a reasonable step in performance."

I'm fully aware the teams can't be sure the updates will bring better lap times, but that is their aim, and they have a rough estimate of what they expect updates to bring. Just like last year before Australia, McLaren said over a half a second with their updates.

As for the last part of your post, I specifically said that other teams will bring updates which will probably make any that Ferrari bring negligible because all teams are planning increasing performance. But make no mistake, the updates are in fact brought to improve lap times, and have a number associated with what they roughly expect in reference to times.

[bhall]

Theoretically, Ferrari had at least a rough estimate about F2012's original exhaust, and we all know how well that one worked out. And while I might agree that "raw" cars generally have more development potential, they're also likely to run into a developmental brick wall or be left in the dust by refined cars that somehow get even more refined.

Put another way: I'm pretty sure no one really wants to be in Ferrari's shoes right now, so to speak.

[Richard]

As I'd warned just above - If the post isn't about a feature on the car then it doesn't belong in this thread.

General chat and speculation belong in the team thread.

So recent posts about why teams bother with upgrades have been moved to the team thread.

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[xpensive]

I can by heart not accept a suspension based on increase of track, JT should see that. Or so I think.

[bhall]

Right back in the saddle, ay, Tonto?