The drivers speak, Mr Schumacher

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[quote="hudsonhawk"][quote]Just look at Trulli in a Toyota for proof of this!

And what has Trulli done to justify this praise, he's a great driver yes, but he's not Michael Schumacher.He's quick around a single lap but winning races takes more than this. There is a reason Schumi gets to drive the best car every year and thats because he's the best driver!

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I'll try again!!

And what has Trulli done to justify this praise, he's a great driver yes, but he's not Michael Schumacher.He's quick around a single lap but winning races takes more than this. There is a reason Schumi gets to drive the best car every year and thats because he's the best driver!

Sorry about that. :oops:

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The car is built or suited to one drivers style or the driver has become used to the characteristics of the car. Proof of this is seen in massa killing JV.......montoya struggling to catch kim......and alonso outpacing fish. YOU BOTH DONT SUPPORT YOUR ARGUEMENTS.....YOU CAN JUST SAY "SHUIE IS THE BEST"..... :D hillarious boys or should i say girls.

Rubie is a puppet and no one else will play second to shuie. Why do you think they will not grab another driver til shuie goes ?? DC is another fluffer like rubie and is only good at talking the talk.

I accept your apology bcsolutions........ :D :D :D

Its late I need to sleep

Oh....Trulli i am not praising.....(i called him trulli hopeless ?!?!? are you reading).....i am refering to how if you have the right equipement then you can run up front.....why isnt shuie up front at the moment ????? Where is this 1% when your car is 20% behind the pace. This 1% you are talking about is something the team gives you if you are their no.1 driver.....its not talent, its well design it how you like it..... ?!?!?!? Mind you i am only refering this arguement to this present day....if you turned the clock back say ten years i would agree with drivers talents affecting the cars pace.....now its the size of your bank balance.....that why toyota are up there.....they spent up big time.

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hudsonhawk wrote:Proof of this is seen in massa killing JV.......montoya struggling to catch kim......and alonso outpacing fish.
This doesn't prove anything, there is no set ranking list of driver talent. Just because you think that a driver should be faster than his team mate doesn't mean he is going to be even on a level playing field, there are so many variables to take into account.

I conceed that the car plays a greater role now more than ever but if driver skill meant nothing then why wouldn't the teams hire unknown drivers and pay them 1% of the wages they pay their current drivers. Surely all of the constructors can't be wrong can they Hudson?

BTW i like how you hijacked my apology. :lol:

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i thought you meant that apology :cry: ....... :D

No ... i am not saying there is a ranking ....

i am saying that kim has been at mac for a while and is used to the car and has had more input into the design of the car.....montoya just arrived. The other examples i gave you have a similar senario. JV new to sauber and Fish new to renault, hence their team mates have the advantage....WE ARE DRIFTING from shoieeeeeeee.

No you cant have anyone drive these cars.....but give any driver in the field shoies car and how close do you think they will go to shoies timessss??? I mean Valentino Rossi drove the ferrari F1 for the first time in his life and lapped within 3 seconds of shoie......PPPFFFT....sure that other 3 seconds is hard work but this guy is used to 2 wheels. Its all about the CARRRR....not the driver.....but Rossi does have talent.

ANYWAY, this topic is about shoies dirty tactics. The other 9 teams support me....

Catchya on the highway

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Whats bcsolutions....company name????

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I'm with you on Rossi, but i still think that the driver plays at least a 50% role! I think this year will be a telling one for the drivers, constructors and F1 as a whole.

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Well, again a Pro-Con Schumacher argument... Just one thing to add: what some people misses in Schumacher's behavior is not if he apologizes or if he does not.

The evident problem Michael has is that he is never generous with his opponents, not even with his team. He always have some small pinprick for everybody. His cumpliments are perfunctory (or he has a strange smile, I do not know).

I have already told this: I really do not know if Schumacher enjoys driving. He certainly enjoys winning. And I am ready to bow to him: he is a great driver.

But I will try to make you understand my point of wiew with a couple of stories that touched my soul (apologies in advance for anyone if Hitler's mention touches a raw nerve, I do not mean to compare Schumi, who is a driver, with somebody like Adolf or his cronies, who were criminals):

:arrow: FIRST STORY (taken from "http://www.ddavid.com/formula1/story1.htm#The Greatest Victory of all time", great site):

'The Greatest Victory of all time

Before an estimated crowd of 300,000 fanatical German fans, Nazi officials and Adolf Hitler the German Grand Prix of 1935 was held. The Mercedes team consisted of Fagioli, von Brauchitsch and Caracciola while Auto Union had Stuck, Rosemeyer, and Varzi.

... Nuvolari instead drove a modified Alfa P.3 but suffered from a 50-100 bhp handicap compared to the German cars...

...Going into the last lap he (Nuvolari) was still 30 seconds behind the leader von Brauchitsch and all seemed lost yet never did Nuvolari slow down. Von Brauchitsch aware of Nuvolari's progress through the ranks from his pit crew drove his car at the limit and in so doing destroyed his tires. One let go a half lap from the finish and Nuvolari streaked to victory.

"At first there was deathly silence," MotorSport reported, "and then the innate sportsmanship (my emphasis) of the Germans triumphed over their astonishment. Nuvolari was given a wonderful reception."

This admiration for a great champion was not shared by the representatives of the Third Reich. Korpsführer Hühnlein angrily tore up his victory speech as Nuvolari was crowned victor. The Italian flag was hoisted after much searching and to add salt to the Nazi's wound Nuvolari produced a record of the Italian anthem that he had brought with him for good luck. The Korpsführer was not amused. This scene would be repeated a year later when another underdog by the name of Jessie Owens would make history.'

End of the story.

Do you imagine Schumacher in the place of Von Brauchitsch? Or do you imagine him in the place of Hühnlein? Does he have innate sportmanship? Please, do not make me laugh, I have a sore lip... :lol:

:arrow: SECOND STORY, same source, French Grand Prix, 1953:

' Race of the Century

...The crowd of course was going wild and could actually observe Hawthorn grinning at the Argentinean driver as they raced abreast along one of the long straights. Fangio tried every trick he knew to shake this young pretender but to no avail...

.. While the two leaders were engrossed in their race long duel they came upon a much slower car. Entering the right hand curve following the pits there would be room for only one car, but with a gesture unheard of in current Grand Prix racing Hawthorn pulled his car over as far as he dared. With two wheels actually on the grass both he and Fangio could pass together and continue their battle (my emphasis). The crowd upon hearing this let out a roar of approval (my comment: this is what makes you love the Britons).

Fangio using all of his experience forced his way pass Hawthorn and was leading the race as it entered its last laps. But Hawthorn was not done yet...

Time was running out as they entered the last lap with Fangio leading by one car length but upon entering the last corner Hawthorn had pulled up even. Hawthorn braked at the last possible instant and took a slightly different line which allowed him to out accelerate Fangio's Maserati upon exiting the corner. Hawthorn was able to hold his car on the track and he crossed the line one second ahead of Fangio after 309 miles and 2 hr. 44 min. of racing...

...In winning the race he became the first Englishman to win a Grand Prix since Richard Seaman won the German Grand Prix in 1938.'

End of the second story.

When was the last time you saw somebody (not only Schumi, please) showing this kind of respect for his opponent? And let me tell you this: in Latin America is a mortal sin to try to "save face". You are taught since your childhood to learn from your mistakes, and covering them is a blatant admission you are in fear (think about it next time you have a "tennis" accident, Juan Pablo).
Ciro

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obviously shu is the best driver on the grid, he's life is F1 and he loves driving and like everybody winning. he's demonstrated that could help developing a car, look at ferrari at 90's. If your car hasn't got much pace you can't do anything, nowadays is not like 30's where you could win with a big handicap, think if somebody today could win a race with 100hp less (like alonso in imola :D) So time changes and shu has set a new record on F1

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err. what do you mean? that alonso had 100 hp less?

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lol just joking, he only had a problem with his engine dunno exactly the hp's he lost

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http://www.reuters.com/locales/c_newsAr ... ID=8572130
Hmmm.......Is michael contradicting himself ????

EDIT BY TOMBA: No he is not, and we should be glad he tries something. It is impossible to attack him for this when people are whining about the lack of overtaking.

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I'm with Schu on this one...the only people whining after the race were Barrichello and Ralf...because it was them that switched off not Schuey.
"Whether you think you can or can't, either way you are right."
-Henry Ford-

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what's wrong with that moves? they are beautifull you need to risk and go for the best, not just going behind a car and just keep driving around the track, that kind of moves make the difference between a champion and a common driver.

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I refering to the contradicting shoie.....and not that he is great and so where his moves that only worked on his team mate !!!

Hasnt shoie cried before that other drivers have put his life at risk ?

*cut*

Catchya on the highway

EDIT BY TOMBA: I'm watching you... :roll: Say what you have to say in a decent way or remain silent.