shelly wrote:olefud wrote:
Bernoulli’s principle in my frame of reference says that speeding up a fluid flow will lower its pressure/density. When air molecules speed up they essentially become spaced further apart thus lowering the pressure. This works for wings and a carburetor venturi for instance. The equations may differ for compressible and incompressible fluids but the principle is sound for both.
Bernoulli's equation says that when speed increase pressure decreases while density remains constant. Air behaves like water at slow speeds - density stays constant.
The exmple of the car you made is a bit misleading. 1d-traffic equations are hyperbolic - i.e. have the same mathematical character of navier-stokes equations when air flow is supersonic, that is so fast that air behaves as compressible.
At slow speeds air is treated as incompressible - it is a mathematical model that cuts out the energy equation (which is a modelling semplification) but it works very well.
As far as Newton and Bernoulli, besides advising everybody to try and find and read "How airplanes really fly - Stop abusing Bernoulli" what I can say is that bernoulli's equation is nothing else that the newtonian momentum conservation equation rewritten under some hypotesis (irrotational motion,no viscous effects etc) - but I agree with you: better not stir it up (otherwise we would brake the non viscous, irrotational hypoteses!)
Overall, key word being overall, density stays constant, however in actual practice only physicists can get away with constants.
a bulbous shape is good for initial flow attachment, read low air speeds. And a thin shape would probably yield similar downforce at a certain speed. However thin shapes have difficulty creating that initial flow attachment so the effects of a thin leading edge become more abrupt. You don't want abrupt lift or lack thereof at low speeds, especially in a plane full of people. In an F1 car you want the aero to start working with some sort of consistency at any speed over 100kph, otherwise you have a car that is very twitchy to drive.