IRL or CART?

Please discuss here all your remarks and pose your questions about all racing series, except Formula One. Both technical and other questions about GP2, Touring cars, IRL, LMS, ...

IRL or CART

Poll ended at 04 Dec 2003, 11:24

IRL
1
13%
CART
7
88%
 
Total votes: 8

Stas
Stas
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Joined: 24 Nov 2004, 22:52

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Oval racing is gay as Elton John . GO CART :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

riff_raff
riff_raff
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Joined: 24 Dec 2004, 10:18

Champ cars were the best

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Champ car racing was the ultimate test: road courses, speedways, short ovals and street circuits. They had real race cars with wings, high revving race engines and big fat slick tires. The cars were closely matched and the racing was tight and professional. Some F1 drivers were successful in CART: Andretti, Fittipaldi, Mansell. And some successfull F1 drivers simply went out on a speedway and snapped their legs: Piquet. There were also some CART drivers that did well in F1: Villeneuve and Montoya.

The downfall of CART was that it was run by a relative few dictators (err... I mean "franchise holders") that were more interested in their own profits as opposed to doing what was best for the series. Eventually, they butted heads with another very wealthy dictator, Tony George, that took away their series' crown jewel, the Indy 500, and made it part of his own wet dream, the IRL. Both series soon afterward went into relative obscurity.

When Champ car was at it's peak, it was very successfull. They had races all over the world: the US, Japan, Canada, Mexico, Australia, England, Germany, Brazil. In fact, they were so successful at one time, that Bernie and the FIA threatened to sanction any drivers that took part in a Champ car race outside of the US or Canada.

By the way, I'm still very bitter about the whole Champ car/IRL debacle.

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Scuderia_Russ
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Joined: 17 Jan 2004, 22:24
Location: Motorsport Valley, England.

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Stas wrote:Oval racing is gay as Elton John . GO CART :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

How colourful.
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Carbon
Carbon
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Joined: 19 Jan 2004, 19:02
Location: Vancouver, BC

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I agree, oval racing is as gay as hell, maybe even as gay as Elton, but...I think the IRL guys are going road racing this year. Even so, living in Vancouver, and taking in every CART race stopping here - sadly, they won't visit Vancouver in '05 - CART racing is top notch - nothing compared to F1 mind you, but in North America, a close second. My only hope is that CART can raise its game to the level it once enjoyed years ago. The names are already there...

DaveKillens
DaveKillens
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Joined: 20 Jan 2005, 04:02

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Anonymous wrote:Jeez... you guys know very little about IRL. IRL has better drivers. Also, the are vastly different from CART cars, i.e. the engine package. CART uses a Turbo V-6 while IRL has a normally-aspiraited V-8. The difference is 100 more hp infavor of CART. CART has the quicker cars, but IRL has the better drivers. Furthermore, IRL has differnet auto makers, unlike CART, which only allows the Ford-Cosworth engine.
The cars, series, or even the type of track doesn't determine how you asess the skill level of the driver. Heck, if you believe for one second on that logic, then Jim Clark was a dud.
NOT

Jim is arguably one of the three greatest racers of all time, period. Most of his racing was done on what we now consider underpowered cars. He also raced at Indy.

As far as oval racing, they spend a lot of the time right on the razor edge. In fact, to be the quickest, you basically have to be in an unstable car, and driving it within a millimeter of trouble. And in the IRL, they race wheel to wheel, two, even three wide for many, many laps. That does take skill and courage. Richard Petty, the famous NASCAR racer, had his car set up to be very loose, and to be able to run a higher line than what most run. That made his car very tricky and unstable, yet with that setup, he was usually the quickest car at the end of the race. That takes a huge amount of driver skill.

Just because a driver is in a certain series, don't assume his skill level is less than a driver in another series. If Fangio had followed the same career path today, as he followed in his great post WW2 career, he would have never made Formula One, because he entered that series well into his elder years (relative to other active drivers).

Please, respect all racers, and don't dis them just because they race in a series you don't have much interest in.

ranger
ranger
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Joined: 02 Mar 2006, 09:23
Location: Malaysia

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CART for sure :wink:
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