2009 Aero change: Front Wing

[WhiteBlue]

Ogami Musashi, these rule discussions can be very frustrating because traditionally everything was secrete until the FIA started to publish proposals during the GPMA/FIA war. It looks like we are heading again for intransparent rule making with the attempt to reestablish the concord and the old F1 commission.

Depending on how things go with the concord agreement I can imagine terrible chaos. At this time rules for 2009 should long be fixed and documented. According to my understanding everything that is being changed now needs unanimous consent by all teams. I am not really clear which of the changes against the published 2009 regulations have been fixed and minuted. There are obviously still areas of disagreement and those tend to make people go back on threir previous committments.

The worst case would be a stalmate where all the sudden the 2006 published rules have to be executed for 2009. That would be a sad day. I feel that majority voting and publication of regulations is the only sensible way ahead.

[AeroGT3]

Your point is that the actual set of rules is valid.

No, I never said that. I said they're more relevant than the set of rules you've got. And they are. I realize they've been since changed. But of the many things in your atlas thread only a few can be solidly proven.

The outdated rules are more accurate than guessed dimensions because at least the outdated rules came from the FIA!

[Conceptual]

Your point is that the actual set of rules is valid.

No, I never said that. I said they're more relevant than the set of rules you've got. And they are. I realize they've been since changed. But of the many things in your atlas thread only a few can be solidly proven.

The outdated rules are more accurate than guessed dimensions because at least the outdated rules came from the FIA![/quote]

And just as valid as any speculation, since no-one knows for sure.

They need to settle on something soon methinks, or else we will have 2008 cars with 2009 slicks next year!!!

Wait! I may just enjoy that more than a slapdash car cobbled together of last minute regulation changes.

Chris

[SLC]

Lol, take it easy guys. No point in arguing over nothing.

The latest draft of the regs is dated end of April from the latest TWG meeting, but they won't be released to the public until everything has been tied down.

[Scotracer]

Lol, take it easy guys. No point in arguing over nothing.

The latest draft of the regs is dated end of April from the latest TWG meeting, but they won't be released to the public until everything has been tied down.

...would you happen to have a copy that you could...ahem, "leak" on here?

[WhiteBlue]

... The latest draft of the regs is dated end of April from the latest TWG meeting, but they won't be released to the public until everything has been tied down.

do you happen to know if this April draft in its scope is unanimous? or are there still things in there that teams can block by a single vote? I understand that they eventually have to use the 2006 version if they do not come up with a draft that has all teams fully agree. I also think that only the tech regs are fairly advanced. the sporting regs are probably still much more up in the air. again if you give theses people halfe a chance they will make junctims between everything.

[SLC]

Sorry, no leaking from me. Not entirely sure if they are confidential but I have no interest in taking that chance.

I've only seen the tech regs, the sporting ones will most likely be identical to 2008 bar any new SC rules they come up with (plus the addition of KERS related pus-to-pass). The tech regs are technically not official so they have not, by definition, been unanimously agreed upon. But at this point they are almost certainly set in stone.

[WhiteBlue]

I've only seen the tech regs, the sporting ones will most likely be identical to 2008 bar any new SC rules they come up with (plus the addition of KERS related pus-to-pass). The tech regs are technically not official so they have not, by definition, been unanimously agreed upon. But at this point they are almost certainly set in stone.

Thanks SLC for letting the unwashed in on the holy grail.

I think this non publishing strategy is a bit anoying. but what can we do. we need to be patient.

isn't it contradictory to say what you say? I understand that this year we need unanimous support of a draft by the teams for the F1 comission and the WMSC to rubber stamp it. If that unanimous vote is there it is just a question of time to get the rest. but if only one team is still unhappy about one aspect and holds the rest to ransom to get something else (which can be totally unrelated as we know) the whole thing can still collaps. and that is the scary thing because in the end people will blame the FIA if the TWG and OWG proposals do not get implemented.

I do know that the FIA have made the slick tyres dependant of a suitable big enough cut in down force. If the OWG has miscalculated and the downforce comes out at say 2 tons and the lap times go down again they will not release the slicks. they can always do this on safety grounds.