2014 Italian GP - Monza, September 5-7

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Andres125sx wrote:He made so many overtakings I can´t remind who did he overtake... Vettel, Button, Perez?, Magnusen?.... All of them looked so easy...
And Kimi, it was a masterclass about overtaking by the aussie =D>

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I'm honestly not sure what was going on with Ricciardo during the fist stint, slow and going nowhere. Then all of a sudden he's 1s quicker than the pack in front, including Vettel, and able to pass merc powered stuff without any real problems. Doubtful tire advantage alone could be responsible for this. After all, button had like only 3 or 4 laps older tires than him.

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Andres125sx wrote:
langwadt wrote:So Button should have gotten a penalty for doing exactly the same defending against Perez?
I´m not sure what do you mean with "exactly the same", but Button didn´t avoid Perez pass, so no, he didn´t take advatage so he doesn´t deserve a penalty
they were side by side before the corner, Button took the line and Perez went off the track. How is that not exactly the same ?

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Stuff like that is kind frustrating when you virtually see the same thing and different decisions are taken by the those in charge...


I have a question was Magnussen given a Stop and Go penalty? or just a 5 second penalty? Why was there no pit stop if he was given a stop and go? im confused here because if he had done a stop and go Penalty he would not have finished 10th... he would probably finish 14-17th with the stop i mean you last about 20 second in the pit lane and then the stop and go..... Can you just not take a stop and go and then just take 5 seconds at the end of the race?


Im asking hoping some one can clarify..
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langwadt wrote:
Andres125sx wrote:
langwadt wrote:So Button should have gotten a penalty for doing exactly the same defending against Perez?
I´m not sure what do you mean with "exactly the same", but Button didn´t avoid Perez pass, so no, he didn´t take advatage so he doesn´t deserve a penalty
they were side by side before the corner, Button took the line and Perez went off the track. How is that not exactly the same ?
As explained, Magnusen stopped Bottas from passing him, taking advantage of an ilegal maneouver, while Button didn´t take advantage because Perez overtook him despite Button movement, so no, that cannot be exactly the same.

Same as if you go off track, you´ll be punished only if you take advantage

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Racer X wrote:Stuff like that is kind frustrating when you virtually see the same thing and different decisions are taken by the those in charge...


I have a question was Magnussen given a Stop and Go penalty? or just a 5 second penalty? Why was there no pit stop if he was given a stop and go? im confused here because if he had done a stop and go Penalty he would not have finished 10th... he would probably finish 14-17th with the stop i mean you last about 20 second in the pit lane and then the stop and go..... Can you just not take a stop and go and then just take 5 seconds at the end of the race?


Im asking hoping some one can clarify..
it's 5 seconds not a stop-and-go, you can serve it during a normal pitstop so 5 seconds really is 5 seconds,
not 5 + a drive through the pits

since he didn't have any more stops he got 5 seconds added.

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Racer X wrote:Stuff like that is kind frustrating when you virtually see the same thing and different decisions are taken by the those in charge...


I have a question was Magnussen given a Stop and Go penalty? or just a 5 second penalty? Why was there no pit stop if he was given a stop and go? im confused here because if he had done a stop and go Penalty he would not have finished 10th... he would probably finish 14-17th with the stop i mean you last about 20 second in the pit lane and then the stop and go..... Can you just not take a stop and go and then just take 5 seconds at the end of the race?


Im asking hoping some one can clarify..
New rule this seasson. 5 second penalty will be applied on your next pit-stop (and you can change your tires), or applied to your final time if you don´t have to stop anymore

It´s different from 10 seconds penalty, in this case you have to do the pit-stop anycase and can´t change tires.

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Andres125sx wrote:
langwadt wrote:
Andres125sx wrote: I´m not sure what do you mean with "exactly the same", but Button didn´t avoid Perez pass, so no, he didn´t take advatage so he doesn´t deserve a penalty
they were side by side before the corner, Button took the line and Perez went off the track. How is that not exactly the same ?
As explained, Magnusen stopped Bottas from passing him, taking advantage of an ilegal maneouver, while Button didn´t take advantage because Perez overtook him despite Button movement, so no, that cannot be exactly the same.

Same as if you go off track, you´ll be punished only if you take advantage
They were still side by side after the corner so Perez didn't pass him, and if he had he would have gotten a penalty for gaining an advantage going off track, if there was any consistency in the rulings

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/29100402

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langwadt wrote:They were still side by side after the corner so Perez didn't pass him, and if he had he would have gotten a penalty for gaining an advantage going off track
Are you serious?

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Juzh wrote:I'm honestly not sure what was going on with Ricciardo during the fist stint, slow and going nowhere. Then all of a sudden he's 1s quicker than the pack in front, including Vettel, and able to pass merc powered stuff without any real problems. Doubtful tire advantage alone could be responsible for this. After all, button had like only 3 or 4 laps older tires than him.
Probably looking after his tyres to run as long as possible in the first stint. He pitted lap 27 IIRC.

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Emerson.F wrote:Nico's lockup and Toto's reaction.

http://gfycat.com/ScentedWindingEskimodog
I don't speak German but looked like Toto said "Lewis is faster than you"

Looked like Nico gave up 7 points today as punishment.

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Andres125sx wrote:
langwadt wrote:They were still side by side after the corner so Perez didn't pass him, and if he had he would have gotten a penalty for gaining an advantage going off track
Are you serious?
All the times that drivers have given back a spot they gained by cutting a chicane was just about being nice?

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langwadt wrote:
Andres125sx wrote:
langwadt wrote:They were still side by side after the corner so Perez didn't pass him, and if he had he would have gotten a penalty for gaining an advantage going off track
Are you serious?
All the times that drivers have given back a spot they gained by cutting a chicane was just about being nice?

I think its more like either of them winning is good so he just enjoys the fighting between them... Like when your little brothers fight and your just cheering them both on to keep fighting because their fighting is entertaining... haha specially with a 1-2 finish.. not bad..
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Hobbs04 wrote:
Emerson.F wrote:Nico's lockup and Toto's reaction.

http://gfycat.com/ScentedWindingEskimodog
I don't speak German but looked like Toto said "Lewis is faster than you"

Looked like Nico gave up 7 points today as punishment.
Ugh... and Hamiltons problems with his race start mapping were also planned so that Nico would end up in front of him so that they could punish him afterwards #-o

He surely knew that Hamiltons pace was better and with Rosbergs mistake there would be no fight on track and therefore no chance of them hitting each other - reason enough to be happy? i think yes.

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Howmany more wins does Ross need to take the title and be done with this battle with Lewis?
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