2015 Hungarian Grand Prix - 24-26 July

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skoop wrote:i watched the race on orf1 and alex wurz (who's commenting) was complaining about the safety car. they said that the safety car came in too early, becouse the lapped cars hadn't lapped back. do you guys feel the same?
THIS! What the hell happened with the safety car? Cost verstappen and alonso a shot at the podium!

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Just_a_fan wrote:
ChrisM40 wrote:
stuartpengs wrote:
I just don't get Rosberg's mindset, he always seems more concerned about how he can beat Hamilton, even when he's behind him. The tactician in him is compromising his racing spirit and it's costing him dearly.
Exactly this. He is so concerned about Hamilton he cant see what anyone else is doing, half the time even himself. He needs to learn that to beat Lewis he needs to beat everyone else to.
Exactly. He said after the race that he was happy with the race up until the coming together with Ricciardo. So he was happy to run around in third. That's just ridiculous. Hamilton made some mistakes (and admitted he messed up the entire thing after the race and that's why he said sorry to the team on the radio) but he never stopped racing. Rosberg just sat there and thought "Hamilton is behind me so I'm ok". Well, Nico old chap, Vettel is the same number of points behind you as you are behind Hamilton. If you keep today's attitude for the rest of the season then you'll see Vettel or Hamilton crowned champion and you'll be in a distant third.
Well look at his father, he won the WDC but only won a single race that year. Rosberg isn't a racer, like father like son.

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Macklaren wrote:
skoop wrote:i watched the race on orf1 and alex wurz (who's commenting) was complaining about the safety car. they said that the safety car came in too early, becouse the lapped cars hadn't lapped back. do you guys feel the same?
THIS! What the hell happened with the safety car? Cost verstappen and alonso a shot at the podium!
Why? The SAFETY car is there to slow the field down to facilitate track cleanup and repairs. It's not for entertainment value. I definitely appreciate minimal race interruption.

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joseff wrote:
Macklaren wrote:
skoop wrote:i watched the race on orf1 and alex wurz (who's commenting) was complaining about the safety car. they said that the safety car came in too early, becouse the lapped cars hadn't lapped back. do you guys feel the same?
THIS! What the hell happened with the safety car? Cost verstappen and alonso a shot at the podium!
Why? The SAFETY car is there to slow the field down to facilitate track cleanup and repairs. It's not for entertainment value. I definitely appreciate minimal race interruption.
It effectively increasing the gap between lapped cars and non lapped cars isn't right though, particularly in a chaotic race such as this, it impacted on their race.

Not sure why they couldn't just allow the cars to pass behind the safety car at a safe area so they are in the right order, rather than releasing them but not waiting for them to reach the back of the pack.

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Macklaren wrote:
skoop wrote:i watched the race on orf1 and alex wurz (who's commenting) was complaining about the safety car. they said that the safety car came in too early, becouse the lapped cars hadn't lapped back. do you guys feel the same?
THIS! What the hell happened with the safety car? Cost verstappen and alonso a shot at the podium!
it was decided pre race that waiting until all lapped cars got to the back of the field interuppted the race for too long , and that the safety car would come in when they were far enough ahead to not interfere with the leaders
[ maybe they forgot to tell mr wurz ,lol ]

good idea in my book !
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ScottB wrote:
joseff wrote:Why? The SAFETY car is there to slow the field down to facilitate track cleanup and repairs. It's not for entertainment value. I definitely appreciate minimal race interruption.
It effectively increasing the gap between lapped cars and non lapped cars isn't right though, particularly in a chaotic race such as this, it impacted on their race.
How on earth can it increase the gap... They let the lapped cars unlap themselves... That's by definition decreasing the gap.

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With the rules as they are, the deployment of a safety car shouldn't increase the gap between the last car that was lapped by the leader and the next car that was going to be lapped.




To answer my own question from earlier, Verstappen's penalty for speeding under the safety car was very lenient: although the FIA's lap chart is a mess, it does appear he gained as much as 30 seconds unfairly while the drive through only cost him ~15 seconds.
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joseff wrote:
Macklaren wrote:
skoop wrote:i watched the race on orf1 and alex wurz (who's commenting) was complaining about the safety car. they said that the safety car came in too early, becouse the lapped cars hadn't lapped back. do you guys feel the same?
THIS! What the hell happened with the safety car? Cost verstappen and alonso a shot at the podium!
Why? The SAFETY car is there to slow the field down to facilitate track cleanup and repairs. It's not for entertainment value. I definitely appreciate minimal race interruption.
I don´t get this rule, first it induces to drive as fast as posible with SC, wich is contradictory. If you´re allowed to overtake the SC to unlap but you know it will go out in that lap, you´ll drive that lap at qualifying pace even when SC is deployed. Nosense.

Also it´s not fair, if you´ve just been lapped and your next rival is, let say, 5 seconds ahead, after this he will be maybe 20 seconds ahead. Not fair

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Sainz should be really upset, STR is showing some favouritism for Verstappen :x

I´m not talking about the three consecutive races Sainz has retired because his car stopped or failed. I´m not talking about the 3 seconds the team lost on his first pitstop. I´m talking about the supposed preference the driver leading usually have, wich was not the case today, Sainz was ahead, but they called to box Verstappen first, wich caused the undercut so he overtook Sainz. This combined with the 3 seconds Sainz lost in the pitstop put him in traffic wich ruined his race completely. Then a new DNF.

He´s doing great, but with 4 DNFs in 10 races all due to mechanical/electrical failures and the team favouring his team mate... :x

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Andres125sx wrote:Sainz should be really upset, STR is showing some favouritism for Verstappen :x

I´m not talking about the three consecutive races Sainz has retired because his car stopped or failed. I´m not talking about the 3 seconds the team lost on his first pitstop. I´m talking about the supposed preference the driver leading usually have, wich was not the case today, Sainz was ahead, but they called to box Verstappen first, wich caused the undercut so he overtook Sainz. This combined with the 3 seconds Sainz lost in the pitstop put him in traffic wich ruined his race completely. Then a new DNF.

He´s doing great, but with 4 DNFs in 10 races all due to mechanical/electrical failures and the team favouring his team mate... :x
I think that the first pitstops of STR weren't planned but reactionary to Alonso and Massa pitting. It gave STR a good excuse to pit in Verstappen first. To be honest I think that Verstappen had better race pace today than Sainz and the team realized this but were too afraid to give direct team orders to swap positions despite Verstappens hints about that over the team radio.

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just rewatched the MAL PER incident ... why was MAL punished? he didn't crowd him and left enough space... bur PER didn't use it

other than HAM and RIC, HAM did a classical MAL there, driving straight into another car when you can't make the corner

just saying; these other MAL failures today are of course not debateable :mrgreen:
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I don't think he drove into RIC. If you watch the replay the tyres were locked up long before RIC came into view. Also if you look on Hamilton's steering angle, it wasn't straight like Maldonados. Danny is a good overtaker but after today i think he just chucks the car without much consideration. It's more ballsy than skillful driving from him.

anyhow, looks like lewis is going to be more distracted this year: http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/ce ... 7458001271 #-o
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ringo wrote:I don't think he drove into RIC. If you watch the replay the tyres were locked up long before RIC came into view. Also if you look on Hamilton's steering angle, it wasn't straight like Maldonados. Danny is a good overtaker but after today i think he just chucks the car without much consideration. It's more ballsy than skillful driving from him.

anyhow, looks like lewis is going to be more distracted this year: http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/ce ... 7458001271 #-o
I agree with you. I think that Ric/Ham incident was 50-50;therefore should be classified as a racing incident. Ricciardo took a different much tighter line in turn 1 than other drivers throughout the race. In addition, there were lots of space at the left of him he could have prevented the accident in my opinion. However, Hamilton shouldn't have let a renault powered car to catch him at a straight

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Unbelievable, the Merc drivers....Hamilton shocking, Rosberg poor poor, he had the chance to gain some points and ruined it.

Max Verstappen very impressive again, remember the threads about him being too young, don't see them anymore...

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Top 4 drivers have been all Toro Rosso drivers.. Red Bull drivers academy working pretty good :)