USF1 -- F1's All-American Challenger

[jon-mullen]

I've got a CAD drawing of a bicycle frame and yet I still find myself walking everywhere. Explain. (actually it's Pro/E, maybe that's the problem...)

[xpensive]

Personally, I don't think anything like "USGPE" exists, if it did, Lord Windsor would surely have something to show for.
Brainless statements about "CAD-drawings", painfully discloses he has no idea about the process of engineering an F1 car.

I recall WB saying something about USGPE just being a backdrop for a realty-show like "pimp my ride"?

But if you ask me, it's MrE talking up the interest from new entries to F1, which in reality is zip in this economic climate.
No matter what David Richards wants us to believe.

[czt]

Im curious to know how extensive their CAD car is. Considering how much can be done in virtual space, this is far more meaningful, then say, Super Aguri running around in 4 year old Arrows lunchboxes with wheels.

No, you are wrong here - SA had a physical, legal car they could stick on the grid and race with. That is far more meaningful that some cad models.

The quote makes it sound like they have a car on the screen that they are simply waiting to press the go button on, but with all the current shenanigans the rules for 2010 are far from firm yet.

The more I hear of this team, the less I'm convinced they know what it will take to join F1.

[WhiteBlue]

I recall WB saying something about USGPE just being a backdrop for a realty-show like "pimp my ride"?

But if you ask me, it's MrE talking up the interest from new entries to F1, which in reality is zip in this economic climate.
No matter what David Richards wants us to believe.

I was actually speculating about their competitiveness in a one tier championship at that time. They were talking about a reality show rather than an F1 team. The cameras would cover the design process, the development ideas, the wind tunnel models and the testing in detail.

You only do that in F1 if you:

A: have nothing that your competitiors value having

B: you care a rats ass for winning but crave being on TV

This is why I said their aim isn't racing but a back drop to a reality show.

Generally speaking I believe that some new teams (Aston Martin/Prodrive, VW, GP2teams) can be attracted to F1 if the budget isn't too steep. Mr. Windsor may have a good chance with the concept if he is able to sell it for money which I do not see so far.

[Ciro Pabón]

There is a third option, if we assume that everybody is as intelligent as ourselves (and, in my case, probably more intelligent): they need camera time because they want sponsors. I think they're selling a project: then you need the seller attitude. They're not like billionaires or manufacturers, they're racers, that's why I wish them good luck.

The talent USF1 could use is amazing, USA has one of the strongest racing bases in the world, perhaps equal to the one the UK and Italy can boast about. If they can channel it somehow, we are going to see a very interesting twist in "european racing". I, for one, am for more teams competing and I don't like to second guess intentions of drivers or teams. Sometimes I don't know which are my own intentions, much less the ones of other people.

[WhiteBlue]

Well said Ciro. I also support the effort of getting more teams into F1 and that will only work if they will see at least the aproximation of a level playing field against billionaires and global mega corporations owning teams.

[jddh1]

Having a CAD model does not build you a car but also is the first step to building one.
Let's face it, if these guys have a solid model, and the money to build the car, I'm pretty sure they can build one extremely quickly compared to other teams. It's America here. If we want to build something, we roll up our sleeves and go to work and get things done.

With that said, I think USF1's problem is still financial. Hiring a failed NASCAR designer is not such a big deal because they could fire him next year (or they possibly have only a one year deal with this guy.) They want to be on the grid next year and that's whom they found. I think next year there will be a lot more engineers/designers looking for jobs after the cuts from the big teams that will either reduce their workforce or not race at all. So, basically, I see this hiring as temporary solution.

I strongly believe that USF1 or whatever name they use, will be on the grid next year. I just don't think they'll be strong enough to move into Q2 consistently. But hey, it took Ross Brawn to go to Honda, spend a year there, to finally get a good car. So don't expect much from these guys right away.

[xpensive]

USGPE not consistently in Q2? Love your sense of humor Malchiar.

[jddh1]

USGPE not consistently in Q2? Love your sense of humor Malchiar.

[roost89]

When I was in town today, I got to my local WHSmith and had a look through F1Racing magazine and it had a story on USGPE/USF1.
I only scanned it but it said that they had a deal with Cosworth for the engine and Weissman for gearboxes.

[czt]

Having a CAD model does not build you a car but also is the first step to building one.
Let's face it, if these guys have a solid model, and the money to build the car, I'm pretty sure they can build one extremely quickly compared to other teams. It's America here. If we want to build something, we roll up our sleeves and go to work and get things done.

Why should USF1 be able to build a car quicker than any other team?

[Conceptual]

Having a CAD model does not build you a car but also is the first step to building one.
Let's face it, if these guys have a solid model, and the money to build the car, I'm pretty sure they can build one extremely quickly compared to other teams. It's America here. If we want to build something, we roll up our sleeves and go to work and get things done.

Why should USF1 be able to build a car quicker than any other team?

We have more illegal immigrant labor here, and less restriction in utilizing it.

[Ciro Pabón]

Oh, c'mon.



Now, have you heard Mr. Ecc claiming that there are two teams interested in US?

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/n ... 4447.shtml

"There's two American teams," Ecclestone told reporters ahead of Spanish Grand Prix qualifying. "It will be good to see some new faces. Something like that is good."

It is speculated that the most likely new American entry, apart from USF1's Peter Windsor and Ken Anderson who are both in Spain this weekend, would be either Penske or Andretti Green.

[mx_tifoso]

Having a CAD model does not build you a car but also is the first step to building one.
Let's face it, if these guys have a solid model, and the money to build the car, I'm pretty sure they can build one extremely quickly compared to other teams. It's America here. If we want to build something, we roll up our sleeves and go to work and get things done.

Why should USF1 be able to build a car quicker than any other team?

We have more illegal immigrant labor here, and less restriction in utilizing it.

Doesn't F1 need skilled workers though?

[Giblet]

This forums really seems to have it in for these guys before they get their foot on the track.

Windsor says CAD, and of course everyone takes it literally.

The CAD means a LOT. Newey starts with a clean sheet of _paper_ and look what he gets done with his thought process' humble beginnings.

They need to make a model first, and the model needs a basic engine lump, proper F1 dimensions, and a few 'things to try'.

Then a scale model gets made and they can start tunnel testing it, pretty much straight away.

They could do some actual wind tunnel work with a model made of clay and foam. They could test concepts. I figure Windsor has been walking up and down the pitlane for years, knows the cars very well, has driven a modern F1 car, and likely knows all kind of things that teams have shown him or he has seen and heard, as they never figured this journo would become a team founder.

The man keeps putting his foot in his mouth, and could definitely use a Dale Carnegie course, but he might have some cards up his sleeve nobody expects. He is more on the sharp side of the mind, as opposed to the dull one.

These potential new cost cutting rules are part and parcel to the future success of teams like this. Toyota at one point was spending an estimated 10 seasons of USGP's predicted budget.

That can give a team the ability to grow where it needs to, organically, as it needs to, and is able to, without the insane pressure of a board while leaking money.