February Test Thread

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djos wrote:
Conceptual wrote: Logical arguments when you have zero basis in reality, and are by definition bigotry. Instead of getting all pissy, how about you increase your vocabulary, take a more modest tone, and not make factual statements unless you have something other than your personal speculation to base it upon. Don't serve your hypothesis as fact. It shows ignorance, and bigotry.

I'm sorry if you didn't know, but it is time to grow up, and back up your statements with fact, not fantasy.
Grow up yourself, if the fairings provide the level of Aero benefit you and others believe, then why has no other team bothered running their own versions of the McLaren fairings despite this concept being around for more than 12 months?

I'll tell you why, they are only good for testing purposes as a sensor package; im sure all the other teams have looked at them and rejected them as being too heavy (unsprung weight again) and not enough of an improvement over the more conventional wheel covers to be worth the weight and track width penalties.

Not all the cars follow the same aerodynamic concepts with McLaren often taking a slightly different path to the majority of other teams. Look at the shark fin last year - McLaren made one, tested it, but it provided no benefit to their car. Did that mean all the other teams were wrong to run with them?

As for unsprung weight and blah de blah, lets say that having the fairings costs 0.1s per lap in terms of smaller track width, unsprung weight, etc. but gives 0.2s per lap benefit aerodynamically. Wouldn't that be worth it?

McLaren have gone to a lot of effort to mould the inner fairings into the brake duct, so they are definitely going to stay. If the outer fairings are legal and McLaren have reduced the track width by a few mm to accommodate them, then they're definitely staying as well. Simple as.

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Diesel wrote:
djos wrote:I can give you one more good reason why the outer ones wont be raced; Pit stops, those would be a royal PITA to get off and back on compared to the current rim shields.
If anything these are easier, they clearly only face on direction so theres a smaller chance of them going on wrong. This is a Formula 1 team my friend, you really do think they are a bunch of clueless amatuers don't you? So when is the djos F1 team starting? I hear you'll be the engineer, driver & CEO! :lol:

Seriously though, there's only one sure way to find out if these things will be on the car come race day. Someone needs to go measure the front track width... I nominate you! :D
Have any of you guy's ever looked at the way the current ones work? The teeth of the rattle gun go straight thru the rim sheild and into the wheel nut (hence why it spins) - the fact that they are currently circular means that this is no big deal as they are fairly balanced around the axis of spin.

The testing version is however a very different proposition - im not saying it is impossible just a lot less practical for use in a race scenario.

anyway, i'm not saying anymore on this topic - i'll just wait till Melbourne and if im wrong, no big deal - speculation as an F1 fan is half the fun imo. :lol:
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djos wrote:
Diesel wrote:
djos wrote:I can give you one more good reason why the outer ones wont be raced; Pit stops, those would be a royal PITA to get off and back on compared to the current rim shields.
If anything these are easier, they clearly only face on direction so theres a smaller chance of them going on wrong. This is a Formula 1 team my friend, you really do think they are a bunch of clueless amatuers don't you? So when is the djos F1 team starting? I hear you'll be the engineer, driver & CEO! :lol:

Seriously though, there's only one sure way to find out if these things will be on the car come race day. Someone needs to go measure the front track width... I nominate you! :D
Have any of you guy's ever looked at the way the current ones work? The teeth of the rattle gun go straight thru the rim sheild and into the wheel nut (hence why it spins) - the fact that they are currently circular means that this is no big deal as they are fairly balanced around the axis of spin.

The testing version is however a very different proposition - im not saying it is impossible just a lot less practical for use in a race scenario.

anyway, i'm not saying anymore on this topic - i'll just wait till Melbourne and if im wrong, no big deal - speculation as an F1 fan is half the fun imo. :lol:
So, if they show up in Australia, are you going to shut up? How about you email McLaren and get to the bottom of it before spewing your opinion all over anyone close enough to read it?

I don't mind speculation, it is the pronouncement of FACT from speculation that sets my teeth on edge. Especially when all you have to back it up is your personal belief, which without direct contact with the F1 team in question, is not in line with objective reality.

Find a source that backs your claim, or drop it and wait till Aus. There is enough other stuff to talk about that has factual backing that this is getting rediculous.

The wheel fairings look cool, and any innovation that the teams can squeek out in todays restricted formula is a good thing in my book!

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The only good thing to come from the change in reg is that all the cars look different. We are back to late 80' and early 90's where the cars were distictive and you didn't need Renaults lurid livery spot the difference from a mile away.

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Shaddock wrote:The only good thing to come from the change in reg is that all the cars look different. We are back to late 80' and early 90's where the cars were distictive and you didn't need Renaults lurid livery spot the difference from a mile away.
...until we see the B spec cars that launch midseason...

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I shudder to think how many R29 noses are currently being CFD'd or wind tunnel tested....
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Conceptual wrote: So, if they show up in Australia, are you going to shut up? How about you email McLaren and get to the bottom of it before spewing your opinion all over anyone close enough to read it?

I don't mind speculation, it is the pronouncement of FACT from speculation that sets my teeth on edge. Especially when all you have to back it up is your personal belief, which without direct contact with the F1 team in question, is not in line with objective reality.

Find a source that backs your claim, or drop it and wait till Aus. There is enough other stuff to talk about that has factual backing that this is getting rediculous.

The wheel fairings look cool, and any innovation that the teams can squeek out in todays restricted formula is a good thing in my book!
I never said my opinion was fact, I was merely putting forth logical arguments as to why I believe the outer rim shield's seen in testing wont be used for racing and i've already said I could be wrong. You are the one taking issue and beating this up - I could care less!

I dont disagree with you, they do look cool and I never argued to the contrary!
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Bahrain Feb 16 test results
driver team car time difference
1. K. Räikkönen Ferrari F60 1:32.970 0
2. C. Klien BMW Sauber F1.09 1:33.328 +0.358
3. J. Trulli Toyota TF109 1:33.580 +0.610

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I cannot work the pace of the BMW's out yet...I can't decide if they are as good as they promised to be or more obviously not.

From the testing so far they seem to not have that edge in terms of raw speed. Even the pig of a Renault came good once Alonso got hold of it and dialed it in. The BMW has seemed off the pace since it's release and whilst there have been no murmours on the internet about it I wonder if all is not going to plan there.
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today from AFCA
Klien 1:32.905
Kimi 1:32.969
Trulli 1:33.064

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BMW are going to be a force to be reckoned with this year.
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From memory BMW were slow last year in testing and yet turned up with a competitive car in Oz. Last year they had a specific problem with stability which they solved in time. This year it's difficult to tell who will turn up quick and who will be off the pace. It doesn't help that half the teams were in Jerez and half in the middle east.

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1 C. Klien BMW 01:32.544 131 laps
2 K. Räikkönen Ferrari 01:32.804 116 laps + 0.260
3 J. Trulli Toyota 01:33.064 141 laps + 0.520

very good Klien and BMW

last time, Fastest lap: 1:33.666 min. They improved over a second.

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I see my doubt spurred them on...
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DarkSnape wrote:1 C. Klien BMW 01:32.544 131 laps
2 K. Räikkönen Ferrari 01:32.804 116 laps + 0.260
3 J. Trulli Toyota 01:33.064 141 laps + 0.520

very good Klien and BMW

last time, Fastest lap: 1:33.666 min. They improved over a second.
Those times are getting seriously close to last year's qualifying times. Very encouraging.
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