Renault race-fixing at Singapore 2008

[ringo]

So Flabby repays the compliments by insinuating that junior is gay. priceless

He seems to be a very malicious man.

[xpensive]

Well, if you want a piece of Briatore, "Don't bring a knife to a gunfight"!

[megz]

But he did it so nicely, not naming names and making it very clear he didn't know what relationship they had =D>

[Rob W]

You obviously are way off base. Yes it's a sport, yes you don't have to participate. But with your totally backwards way of looking at it, not commenting would make you immediately guilty...

I don't really think so. Sports run their own sporting laws. They commonly contain regulations which would violate normal human rights in everyday life almost globally. They also often assume guilt for any evasive or delaying tactics - putting the onus on competitors to comply. I don't see why people are essentially debating that F1 should conduct their affairs more like corporate law than as a sporting body.

Some examples.

Athletics - all female athletes who wish to compete in the Olympics must undergo a gender test. (One notable exception was made in the case of Princess Anne for the 1984 L.A. Olympics where she competed in equestrian)

Athletics - all athletes who wish to compete in any sanctioned even accept the obligation to submit to a drugs test with almost zero notice. Failure to comply in most circumstances results in the test being deemed a 'fail' - not a 'no result'.

Horse riding - most countries subject mounts to drugs testing. Failure to supply enough urine for the test before the player leaves the race-track is deemed a refusal. (a major court case in NZ concerning one of Australasia's most successful jockeys, Lisa Cropp, attempts to have her failed drugs test void on the grounds it breached her basic human rights was ultimately rejected at the highest level of Australasian law)

NRL in Australia/NZ - players subject to (outside of game) assault charges or drugs are stood down from playing until the resolution of the court case or satisfaction - at the discretion of the NRL - that the charges are minor or wont succeed. The player has no right of recourse over the NRL (well, if he ever wishes to play again ).

Etc.

WTF is with you people? Guilty until proven innocent seems to be the majority around here.

Others may have but I didn't actually say that. The key issue of my point was that allowing what some would deem human rights - if applied in F1 - would serve only to slow down process unnecessarily, add extra costs and delay results which could prejudice other competitors.

[StrFerrari4Ever]

Haha Flav just laid it on Piquet Jnr's ass their type of relationship is unknown
Not only is Piquet gonna find it difficult to get a drive if he does get one his engineers will steer clear of the car to protect themselves from Nelfaghio

[Michiba]

So what's Flavios stance exactly? Is he claiming that NP jr crashed on purpose without instruction so that NP can blackmail him to retain his seat?

[PNSD]

if he does get one his engineers will steer clear of the car to protect themselves from Nelfaghio

Flavio showing real class here. I was impressed that so far, prior to this he had managed to keep what is a rather large mouth shut, and the FIA do the talking. Even when Renault sacked Neslon, and he came out and revealed his bad enviroment Falvio still keept quiet. This however is a tad over the line I think.

No matter what has happened in the past with Snr, or anyone else, or what is current happening, to bring in personal attacks is uncalled for and shows Falvio is not reacting well.

[Moanlower]

if he does get one his engineers will steer clear of the car to protect themselves from Nelfaghio

Flavio showing real class here. I was impressed that so far, prior to this he had managed to keep what is a rather large mouth shut, and the FIA do the talking. Even when Renault sacked Neslon, and he came out and revealed his bad enviroment Falvio still keept quiet. This however is a tad over the line I think.

No matter what has happened in the past with Snr, or anyone else, or what is current happening, to bring in personal attacks is uncalled for and shows Falvio is not reacting well.

Oh well, they're Flav's last convulsions. Would love to see Prost as Renault's team boss.

[timbo]

Would love to see Prost as Renault's team boss.

Hmm.. He showed real class in his own team...
But who knows?
One thing for sure that would weaken FOTA.

[xpensive]

The way I remember things, Renault refused to help his team out after he managed to ditch the free engines from Peugeot.
Corrado Provera was only too happy to stop giving away his engines.

[WhiteBlue]

Flabby seems to be ear marked as a fall guy for Max Mosley's Paris grill party if Renault considers Prost as a replacement. His team was probably the most prominent failure in F1 of all times. Prost was incredibly good as a driver but was equally bad as a team principal.

If you want to loose money like water from a run over fire hydrant you need to give your team to Prost.

It shows that Renault is as much in trouble as Flabby is. And why is that happening? Follow the money I would say, as usually. Goshn is a visual flights regulations only guy. He will take a cruise on a sunny day and love the show when racing is fun and fits the "createur d'automobile" image. When the going gets though and the goo is as thick as pond scum the plan was obviously to fall back and have Flabby take control to eventually pass it over to obscure Russian or Sicilian investors.

Now it looks like the plan backfired and emergency measurers are considered. The emergency must be pretty severe if France has to turn to their heroes of the eighties. Between Briatore and Symmonds 90% of the real management of the company was done. With both of them in the crapper Renault is likely to take a swan dive of unprecedented dimensions, both in terms of sporting and financial results.

[xpensive]

Before we jump into any doomsday scenarios, perhaps it's useful to see what comes out of Monday's Prague-process.

Secondly, the idea of letting Alain Prost loose with a team being WMC only two years ago is simply unfathomable,
why not Cyril de Rouvre for good measure?

[chrys]

In reaction to being fired by the Renault team, Nelson Piquet has admitted
to the FIA that he intentionally crashed at Singapore last year, in a successful
attempt to move teammate Fernando Alonso from a lowly grid position to
victory. Worse, Piquet has charged that he was instructed to crash — and
where and when — by the team’s Flavio Briatore and Pat Symonds. The FIA
has investigated, and its World Motors Sport Council will pass judgment
on September 21st. We examine the evidence collected so far and the events....

http://axisofoversteer.com/blog/documen ... f%20PK.pdf

[tok-tokkie]

Planet F1 says that The Times states that Whitmarsh has been offered immunity at the meeting if he spills the beans completely. Where this is leading to as far as the future of Briatore & Renault &, therefore, F1 is fascinating in a macebre sort of way.

[Shaddock]

I think it has become a witch hunt now, "FIA offer Symonds immunity"

Give everyone apart from Flav immunity, and stand back and watch the $h1t hit the fan.