The Fanboy Yin Yang Thread

[Poleman]

1. The Nürburgring was built........

Nice info.Such info should be at the first post of each GP IMHO.

A suggestion to the future GP threads creators.

[Paul]

I wish most circuits on the calendar had that kind of history attributed to them, but that just isn't the case with all the newer venues that appear each year.

[archiebald]

1. The Nürburgring was built to alleviate unemployment in the Eifel region of northwest Germany. From 1925 to 1927, some 25,000 persons were hired to construct the racetrack.

2. The man who spearheaded the job, Dr. Otto Creuz, a politician in the Eifel region, was later suspected by the Nazis of diverting funds; he eventually committed suicide.

3. The track cost 14.1 million reichsmarks to build, about $40 million in today’s money.

4. It originally consisted of the 14.2-mile Nordschleife and the 4.8-mile Südschleife. The Nordschleife has since been shortened to 12.9 miles. Parts of the Südschleife became the so-called Neue Nürburgring F1 track in the early 1980s.

5. The Nordschleife is a toll road open to the public. It’s closed only during testing events and races. A lap costs 23 euros (about $35). What you really didn’t know: German road regulations apply—there are some posted speed limits, and you can’t pass on the right.

6. The record for the fastest lap on the 12.9-mile track belongs to Stefan Bellof, who in 1983 drove a Porsche 956 around it in 6 minutes and 11.13 seconds, averaging 125.6 mph. In 1975, on the 14.2-mile track, F1 champ Niki Lauda lapped a Ferrari 312T in 6 minutes and 58.6 seconds, averaging 122 mph.

7. Nearly 1000 feet separate the highest and lowest points on the course.

8. The lap record for a production car belongs to Michael Vergers, who turned a 6:48 lap in a Radical SR8LM, a machine that pushes the term “production car” to comical extremes.

9. According to the official website, there are 33 left-hand bends, 40 to the right. Looking at a video of Jim Mero’s 7:26 lap in a Corvette ZR1, we count 87. Others count 100 turns.

10. The number of fatalities in its 83-year history is a source of contention. One source puts the toll at 73; others say that between two and 12 persons die every year. If you have an accident and damage the Armco barriers, you (or a non-dead relative of yours) will end up paying. And if your accident closes the track for an extended period, that’ll cost your estate, too.

Only 125.6mph lap record? Pfft!! (TT over 131mph)
Only 100 corners? Pah!! (TT over 200)
Only 83 years history? laughable!! (TT 107 years)
Only 73 fatalities? Piffle!! (TT over 230 competitors + visitors)

Yeah, yeah, I know, I will now officially STFU about the Isle Of Man.

Mind you, as an aside, the largest foreign contingent that visits the IOM every year is from Germany. They seem to love the circuit and they have the Nurburgring back at home. Must be something in their genes I guess.

[Poleman]

Only 73 fatalities? Piffle!! (TT over 230 competitors + visitors)

Can you elaborate why exactly u feel proud/excited of that in particular and keep brining it up as a reason for IOM to top the Ring?

I also know that the Ring is a benchmark for almost every automotive manufacturer on the planet...Cars given their spec names after the circuit.I dont seen anything similar for the Isle Of Man...Oh wait maybe they conduct their crash tests there or leave people with suicidal tendencies to go berserk on 2 wheels.

[PlatinumZealot]

Interesting that with that somewhat stiff setup (I'm not talking about that picture, just the overall impression) McLaren seem to have best mechanical grip. Maybe that's because they heat tyres faster than RBR and certainly Ferrari in cold conditions?

The Boss has the best Mechanical Grip.

You see how the car is begging for mercy?

[HampusA]

Yea read that one, i´m so excited for the next Ferrari F1

[HampusA]

Lol! I think we should focus on being excited for F1 2011 first. We're only just halfway through. Then in the off-season we can do our restless speculation on the 2012 numbers

True But i just hope we see something spectacular next year that is more aggresive more balls to the wall in terms of design instead of the very discrete and conservative design they had in the beginning atleast of this sesaon.

´11 is still a looker though. Just wish they would bin that horrible looking nosecone and change it for last years F60 which it seems Renault has copied or taken design cues from.

[Traction]

Ray Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 3:34 pm Report this postReply with quote

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Location: Atlanta Private message ringo wrote:
Why people keep bringing up this straw man arguement?
Who said he was faultless. Not because the team is criticized do you have point to the driver not being perfect to justify a weakness in the team.
In the same way you say some people think a driver is faultless, i can say the same about what some think a team is. mclaren is not perfect.
Hamilton is not faultless, but faults don't have to be brought up every time to appease those who would rather not have a discussion with something postive or neutral when his name is mentioned, especially when faults aren't the topic.

It doesn't apply to Button who has a few more faults when it comes to actually challenging for a title.

Call it intuition, but Mclaren's mistake was obvious to the comentators and a few fans. The inters decision is understandable but the options was a glaring mistake.

Many here, including yourself, always blame McLaren and any number of other things when Lewis doesn't succeed. You have called for Button to be demoted, replaced, and he has the same number of wins that Lewis does. There seems to be irrational hatred and criticism for this team, and it's centered completely around Lewis and his performance (wins/points/mistakes/whathaveyou). I think it's absurd all the things that are being thrown around about McLaren around here. They are better than any of us here and if one aspect of the team is to be criticized it's only fair to look at the big picture. Not once has anyone called for Martins head on a platter for the failures on Buttons car, dare I say every Lewis fan would be doing just that if it happened to his car experiencing failures (mechanical).

The issue for 99% of the people in various threads is because they think Lewis is better than everyone and everything in Formula 1. That is completely false. McLaren deserves criticism, they have made mistakes, but every single time something goes wrong it's always someone elses fault in respect to Lewis. This is probably the most hilarious thing I've seen on these boards. The amount of contorting that goes on here to excuse Lewis of any and every part of the blame, not matter how big or small, is comedy gold. The man is human, the team is human. Get. Over. It. Nothing you complain about nor the accusations you level at McLaren being stupid will change anything. If you and anyone else thinks they are better suited and have better information to be Lewis' race engineer, mail McLaren a letter. Tell them how much better of a job you could be doing. That is the only way you can improve the 'failures' of McLaren.

Wether you like to admit it or not, Lewis went through a short and intense hothead spell this season and has shown it very briefly in the past. At one point he and his father were threatening McLaren of leaving due to performance. They threatened McLaren. And people laugh at the tantrums Alonso has thrown. At least McLaren let their guys race, and the both of them have been class acts. If anything we should be shouting from the rooftops for everyone in Formula 1 to emulate that. Championship winning team or not, watching Lewis and Jenson go toe to toe is awesome in my book.


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[raymondu999]

I want rain in the end of the race.

I miss a full-wet race to be honest. Something wet throughout rather than part wet part dry

[ringo]

Sure you boy can handle a full wet race?
Vettel must have lost his nice bubble after that puncture. He is a guy that thrives on information. If he can't understand why the tyre puncture, he's going to lose confidence in Brazil; knowing that the pirelli crap tyres can go any minute.

These pirellis are really low quality compared to the BS tyres. Too many unforced punctures.

[PlatinumZealot]

1. Wet race
2. Can anyone tell me how the hell Hülkenberg took the pole last year? I can't remember it well, but was he the only one on slicks?

Temperature rise of the track and really really aggressive tyre setup.

[raymondu999]

Sure you boy can handle a full wet race? .

oh absolutely

[Richard]

These pirellis are really low quality compared to the BS tyres. Too many unforced punctures.

Any evidence?

Or is it just as sound as your pyscho analysis of Vettel's mental collapse?

[ringo]

There have been a couple puntures during testing, qualifying and the race.
Some of which provoked by insignificant track features. I can't remember all of them, but I think there were at least 4 or 5 strange punctures this year.

About Vettel. I do think he will lose sleep on the pirelli tyre failure.
Interlagos turn 1..

[raymondu999]

So if it's a reoccurring thing, with 4 or 5 previous occurrences, Vettel would know it was just the rub of the green that got him the wrong way.