European GP 2010 - Valencia

[segedunum]

Force India != a Lotus.

WTF? Utterly meaningless.

So in your eyes, Kovy didn't brake early?

Nope, he didn't and frankly that's not his problem even if he did slightly relative to Webber. The point is Massa had the presence of mind to know a corner was coming up and adjusted accordingly because he knew he wasn't overtaking.......and he's not the best in traffic either.

We disagree on Mr. Webber. That is OK to do.

Webber simply cannot think ahead. Do we need to see someone get seriously hurt or worse before the penny finally drops?

[Giblet]

Force India != a Lotus.

WTF? Utterly meaningless.

So in your eyes, Kovy didn't brake early?

Nope, he didn't and frankly that's not his problem even if he did slightly relative to Webber. The point is Massa had the presence of mind to know a corner was coming up and adjusted accordingly because he knew he wasn't overtaking.......and he's not the best in traffic either.

We disagree on Mr. Webber. That is OK to do.

Webber simply cannot think ahead. Do we need to see someone get seriously hurt or worse before the penny finally drops?

Don't know, don't care. Just about every driver in the field has made mistakes of this magnitude, your attempt to put all the stupidity on Webber is a little biased to me.

So we'll just agree to disagree, or at least I will.

[Shrek]

That's total BS brought to you by Ferrari politics.
Wasn't the safety car supposed catch Vettel?

Who are all of them?

[raymondu999]

in other news, the other Germany vs England match, Germany won 4-1 over England. So good day for Germany. F1, and football

[andrew]

Bit of a nasty crash fr Webber but a good win for Vettel.

Has anything been said by the stewards about the Webber v Kovi crash? I only watched the race until just after the safety car went in but will watch the highlights in BBC3 later.

I would call it 50/50. Kovi should have maybe let Webber past as Webber is in a much faster car but on the other hand, they were fighting for position so Webber should have expected Kovi to defend.

Was there any other excitement after this or was it just a procession?

[Giblet]

I do it by controlling myself. Same way i make sure its safe to cross the road even when i REALLY want to get across. If you can't than just don't post here. If you truly feel the need to bash other people and not discuss logically maybe the crash.net forums would be a better place for you.

[timbo]

Was there any other excitement after this or was it just a procession?

There was a very good run by Kobayashi on fresh tyres at the end of the race.

[Miguel]

Was there any other excitement after this or was it just a procession?

There was a very good run by Kobayashi on fresh tyres at the end of the race.

There's clearly something very wrong with this track, but I don't know what it is. Nobody really overtook (yeah, Sutil on Buemi and Alonso on Hulkenberg) until Kobayashi got his 2s a lap faster tires. Is it the dirt off line? Is it the walls holding the vortices inside the track? Is it the surface? It doesn't seem to me it's the layout, although the winding "straights" may have something to do.

[Giblet]

Not sure how much of it is the track this year, and how much of it is how evenly matched these cars are in 2010.

The Red Bulls have proved even with pace in pocket, it hard to get around anyone anywhere.

[segedunum]

Don't know, don't care. Just about every driver in the field has made mistakes of this magnitude, your attempt to put all the stupidity on Webber is a little biased to me.

I'm afraid you'll find that no one has had the number of incidents that Mark has.

So we'll just agree to disagree, or at least I will.

You're still trying to argue otherwise when the evidence is against you, as per usual..............

[komninosm]

And this one is funny.

40.6 The safety car will join the track with its orange lights illuminated and will do so regardless of where the race leader is.


Basically, the FIA has a power to give victory to whoever they deem appropriate.

Interesting. You're right there.
A poster gave a nice idea about SC later. Affect all drivers instantly (no SC needed)

[Miguel]

Not sure how much of it is the track this year, and how much of it is how evenly matched these cars are in 2010.

The Red Bulls have proved even with pace in pocket, it hard to get around anyone anywhere.

The Red Bulls had a huge handicap in high speed, so they would have a hard time overtaking almost everything. You simly can't overtake without the top speed.

[komninosm]

Was there any other excitement after this or was it just a procession?

There was a very good run by Kobayashi on fresh tyres at the end of the race.

There's clearly something very wrong with this track, but I don't know what it is. Nobody really overtook (yeah, Sutil on Buemi and Alonso on Hulkenberg) until Kobayashi got his 2s a lap faster tires. Is it the dirt off line? Is it the walls holding the vortices inside the track? Is it the surface? It doesn't seem to me it's the layout, although the winding "straights" may have something to do.

What was wrong was that Hamilton was up front and no one else is capable of making many overtakes
Seriously though, it seems the FI are really hard to pass with a Ferrari. And the track seemed badly designed.

[komninosm]

Bit of a nasty crash fr Webber but a good win for Vettel.

Has anything been said by the stewards about the Webber v Kovi crash? I only watched the race until just after the safety car went in but will watch the highlights in BBC3 later.

I would call it 50/50. Kovi should have maybe let Webber past as Webber is in a much faster car but on the other hand, they were fighting for position so Webber should have expected Kovi to defend.

Was there any other excitement after this or was it just a procession?

Has anyone thought about it this way? Kovi actually did try to let Webber pass him easily and braked early, thinking the RBR car would stream past him on the right, but it went awry somehow.

[Giblet]

Don't know, don't care. Just about every driver in the field has made mistakes of this magnitude, your attempt to put all the stupidity on Webber is a little biased to me.

I'm afraid you'll find that no one has had the number of incidents that Mark has.

So we'll just agree to disagree, or at least I will.

You're still trying to argue otherwise when the evidence is against you, as per usual..............

Stop arguing with me. I already told you I was done, and you still keep going.

I disagree with you, deal with it.