[ 2020 ] Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

[McL-H]

but Jenson's British GT team is running McLarens and he won this weekend. I think the clear answer is that McL needed someone with a super license who is already in an F1 COVID bubble and would be easily available at short notice.
Jenson has a new family and lives in America for the most part. I also think Jenson is carrying some penalty for the shocking crash that he caused during his one-off return at Monaco.

Good point. Hadn’t thought about him not being in the bubble and living in the States.

Would he really get a grid penalty for Monaco if he were to return? That would be interesting. I have never seen a grid penalty going over from one season to another.

[FittingMechanics]

It seems that Renault will continue pressing the issue against Racing Point, Seidl implied as much on the broadcast. I'm quite happy that McLaren is supporting Renault in this situation, what Racing Point did was not in the spirit of F1.

I expect Renault to protest a different part this time around and potentially once again this kind of punishment.

BTW listening to Wolff it almost sounds like Mercedes is liable as well. He mentions that the lawyers were involved and it seems that they were involved much more than I expected. Going so far to Mercedes to provide the "copied" rear brake ducts for Racing Point after January 1st. My takeaway from this is that Mercedes allowed Racing Point to copy them.

[Big Tea]

It seems that Renault will continue pressing the issue against Racing Point, Seidl implied as much on the broadcast. I'm quite happy that McLaren is supporting Renault in this situation, what Racing Point did was not in the spirit of F1.

I expect Renault to protest a different part this time around and potentially once again this kind of punishment.

BTW listening to Wolff it almost sounds like Mercedes is liable as well. He mentions that the lawyers were involved and it seems that they were involved much more than I expected. Going so far to Mercedes to provide the "copied" rear brake ducts for Racing Point after January 1st. My takeaway from this is that Mercedes allowed Racing Point to copy them.

They actually sold them parts, which at the time was allowed. It is this year that the problem with them is, so I assume Merc want it plain they did nothing wrong.

[FittingMechanics]

They actually sold them parts, which at the time was allowed. It is this year that the problem with them is, so I assume Merc want it plain they did nothing wrong.

Yes, but the last years car was high rake. Rear ducts that Mercedes runs work with a low rake car so Racing Point had their own brake ducts in 2019. So Racing Point cannot claim they just carried over the design from 2019, they did not run or use Mercedes like ducts in 2019. Not only Mercedes supplied them CAD drawings of rear ducts that Racing Point cannot use in 2019, they did so even after the rules to forbid buying of brake ducts was decided on, going so far to provide physical brake duct in 2020 as apparently Racing Point was late in producing the part.

Another big implication is the fact that Racing Point either started to think about switching to low rake car in late 2018 or they decided to copy Mercedes in late 2018. This is seen in the fact that they bought and received CAD drawings for rear brake ducts that they cannot use, starting in November 2018. I feel this proves that they decided to copy Mercedes quite early, in fact almost immediately after Stroll bought Racing Point as they bought out Racing Point in August 2018.

All of this seems to be pointing in the direction of Stroll entering F1 knowing he will copy Mercedes with the assistance or permission of Wolff (who later invested in Aston Martin).

This all smells very fishy.

[Andres125sx]

Please, this is McLaren thread, it´s not RP, Mercedes, or FIA rules about copied cars. Last pages of the thread are all OT

[Andres125sx]

Some upgrade for this weekend?

[FittingMechanics]

Some upgrade for this weekend?

I don't know. Norris was talking to Sky and said that others seem to have gained more than McLaren this week, so they are expecting a bigger challenge. To be honest I think that's what they say every time, and try to keep expectations low.

[PhillipM]

Some upgrade for this weekend?

As I said last week, mainly just refinement work on what they brought last week, nothing huge. Some updates coming next weekend though.

Struggling with the tyres today, can't keep them cool enough, the rears are going off even over one hot lap.

[mwillems]

Some upgrade for this weekend?

I don't know. Norris was talking to Sky and said that others seem to have gained more than McLaren this week, so they are expecting a bigger challenge. To be honest I think that's what they say every time, and try to keep expectations low.

Yes I feel the same, watching the times it seems the same story in FP1 and 2 and I fully expect that by Qualy they will "Magically" find some time. Hopefully that is the case.

[godlameroso]

Some upgrade for this weekend?

I don't know. Norris was talking to Sky and said that others seem to have gained more than McLaren this week, so they are expecting a bigger challenge. To be honest I think that's what they say every time, and try to keep expectations low.

Norris pace was very slow, Sainz had a better time of it in FP2, times look midfield, the Renault is slightly ahead.

[SmallSoldier]

Mclaren seems to be taking it lightly in practice this year, the jumps in performance from FP1 to FP2 has been always strong since the start of the season... Maybe lower engine modes than the rest to protect the engine and try to extend it’s life as much as possible in the beginning of the season to use in practice later on? Not only the jump in performance from practice to qualifying in the race is big, even looking at the speed traps in practice seem to indicate that they are running a little more conservative than others.


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[the EDGE]

Some upgrade for this weekend?

I don't know. Norris was talking to Sky and said that others seem to have gained more than McLaren this week, so they are expecting a bigger challenge. To be honest I think that's what they say every time, and try to keep expectations low.

Norris pace was very slow, Sainz had a better time of it in FP2, times look midfield, the Renault is slightly ahead.

Nothing in the team report looks worrying, good balance, making incremental gains & got everything done

https://www.mclaren.com/racing/2020/70t ... -practice/

I expect all teams to shun the softs in the race, so I think everyone will do Q2 on the mediums regardless of being nocked out. Starting p11-12 would probably be advantageous than having to pit early and getting caught in back-market traffic

[diffuser]

It seems that Renault will continue pressing the issue against Racing Point, Seidl implied as much on the broadcast. I'm quite happy that McLaren is supporting Renault in this situation, what Racing Point did was not in the spirit of F1.

I expect Renault to protest a different part this time around and potentially once again this kind of punishment.

BTW listening to Wolff it almost sounds like Mercedes is liable as well. He mentions that the lawyers were involved and it seems that they were involved much more than I expected. Going so far to Mercedes to provide the "copied" rear brake ducts for Racing Point after January 1st. My takeaway from this is that Mercedes allowed Racing Point to copy them.

They actually sold them parts, which at the time was allowed. It is this year that the problem with them is, so I assume Merc want it plain they did nothing wrong.

God forbid they loose a point with their 10000 point lead. We should take 200 points off them just to make it interesting.

[Big Tea]

It seems that Renault will continue pressing the issue against Racing Point, Seidl implied as much on the broadcast. I'm quite happy that McLaren is supporting Renault in this situation, what Racing Point did was not in the spirit of F1.

I expect Renault to protest a different part this time around and potentially once again this kind of punishment.

BTW listening to Wolff it almost sounds like Mercedes is liable as well. He mentions that the lawyers were involved and it seems that they were involved much more than I expected. Going so far to Mercedes to provide the "copied" rear brake ducts for Racing Point after January 1st. My takeaway from this is that Mercedes allowed Racing Point to copy them.

They actually sold them parts, which at the time was allowed. It is this year that the problem with them is, so I assume Merc want it plain they did nothing wrong.

God forbid they loose a point with their 10000 point lead. We should take 200 points off them just to make it interesting.

The drivers do not lose points, just the team

[Macklaren]

Has PIrelli put out their "tire sets remaining" chart? I think the team is quietly confident that they have more Medium sets remaining than most others