Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

[vantage87]

Team report:

http://www.mclaren.com/formula1/2016/te ... gn=Testing

...The focus of today’s running was to bed in a new power unit, which had been slightly updated from last week’s to move closer to the specification scheduled to run at the first grand prix in Melbourne. Much of the day’s programme concentrated on engine mode and driveability tests, tyre compound assessments as well as aerodynamic set-up changes.

...Fernando Alonso: “We tested a number of different configurations and spent a lot of time working on the power unit and collecting data from the aerodynamics. It’s too early to tell a real difference compared to the engine last week, as we focussed today on shorter runs and adjusting the balance and set-up of the car."

...Matt Morris: “We spent a good chunk of the day evaluating the power unit functionality, although our attention hasn’t yet turned to assessing outright performance. " “We will continue to maximise our track time over the coming days, to work on ironing out reliability niggles and move on to longer runs. We also have some new aero parts arriving overnight, which will be assessed on track tomorrow with Jenson.”

...Yusuke Hasegawa: “On the power unit side, we tested many different modes of running to prepare for the race, so it was a busy day for the system engineers. As a package, we were able to test different balances of the car and tyres together with the power unit."

[ESPImperium]

http://www.laf1.es/noticias/mercedes-es ... aga-918208

Speculation:
Mercedes:950hp
Ferrari: 930
Renault: 900
Honda: 850

Can't be accurate. The gulf between 900 and 950 peak horsepower would not be so noticeable on track due to the nature of the engines. Common sense says Renault hasn't cracked 900hp yet because that would mean they have finally solved 90% of the issues, and they haven't!

The figures I have, going on the speculation and such is:

Mercedes PU106C Hybrid: 940-950
Ferrari 059/5: 920-925 (Shell developing new fuel for Australia that will narrow the gap to about 10-15hp to Mercedes)
Honda RA106H: 880-890 (910-915hp when new fuel was added today, another 10 when the new Mobil1 Lubricants come)
Renault (Tag Heuer) Energy F1: 870-880
Ferrari 059/4: 860 (This is the end figure for the 2015 power unit to 2015 regulations, but they have updated it with a 2016 TC/Compressor with the Waste gate tubes that brings it to around the 900 figure when Shell puts in its new fuels)

Generally 10hp is worth 0.03 of a sec a lap on average, so the Ferrari 056/6 is still about a half second off the Mercedes, and the Honda is about 1.8s off the Mercedes and the Renault is about 2.2 if all other variables are fixed. However aero levels and weights are not fixed yet, the lap times may still be a way off as there is still variables. Id say the real world estimate is the Ferrari is 0.2 to 0.3 off the Mercedes, the Honda is about 0.7 to 1.2 away from the Mercedes and the Renault is about 0.9 to 1.3 away.

Another year of intensive development on all the power units and things will be getting closer, and id recon the power units will be easily producing into the 1000-1100 figures, id say that figure will be reached mid season by all manufacturers once the do their first around Canada time or even second spec upgrade about Spa/Monza time. I am going to say the next element of focus will be the software side of things, as I'm sure the software can bring out a small increase in power as well.

Engine/power unit wise, 2016 is looking to be one hell of a talking point again.

[vantage87]

http://www.laf1.es/noticias/mercedes-es ... aga-918208

Speculation:
Mercedes:950hp
Ferrari: 930
Renault: 900
Honda: 850

Can't be accurate. The gulf between 900 and 950 peak horsepower would not be so noticeable on track due to the nature of the engines. Common sense says Renault hasn't cracked 900hp yet because that would mean they have finally solved 90% of the issues, and they haven't!

The figures I have, going on the speculation and such is:

Mercedes PU106C Hybrid: 940-950
Ferrari 059/5: 920-925 (Shell developing new fuel for Australia that will narrow the gap to about 10-15hp to Mercedes)
Honda RA106H: 880-890 (910-915hp when new fuel was added today, another 10 when the new Mobil1 Lubricants come)
Renault (Tag Heuer) Energy F1: 870-880
Ferrari 059/4: 860 (This is the end figure for the 2015 power unit to 2015 regulations, but they have updated it with a 2016 TC/Compressor with the Waste gate tubes that brings it to around the 900 figure when Shell puts in its new fuels)

Generally 10hp is worth 0.03 of a sec a lap on average, so the Ferrari 056/6 is still about a half second off the Mercedes, and the Honda is about 1.8s off the Mercedes and the Renault is about 2.2 if all other variables are fixed. However aero levels and weights are not fixed yet, the lap times may still be a way off as there is still variables. Id say the real world estimate is the Ferrari is 0.2 to 0.3 off the Mercedes, the Honda is about 0.7 to 1.2 away from the Mercedes and the Renault is about 0.9 to 1.3 away.

Another year of intensive development on all the power units and things will be getting closer, and id recon the power units will be easily producing into the 1000-1100 figures, id say that figure will be reached mid season by all manufacturers once the do their first around Canada time or even second spec upgrade about Spa/Monza time. I am going to say the next element of focus will be the software side of things, as I'm sure the software can bring out a small increase in power as well.

Engine/power unit wise, 2016 is looking to be one hell of a talking point again.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/35694454.app
Asked about the Honda engine’s performance compared to that of Mercedes, the Fernando Alonso said: “We will certainly have less power, between 30 and 80bhp, but not 200, no.”

[Juzh]

http://www.laf1.es/noticias/mercedes-es ... aga-918208

Speculation:
Mercedes:950hp
Ferrari: 930
Renault: 900
Honda: 850

Can't be accurate. The gulf between 900 and 950 peak horsepower would not be so noticeable on track due to the nature of the engines. Common sense says Renault hasn't cracked 900hp yet because that would mean they have finally solved 90% of the issues, and they haven't!

The figures I have, going on the speculation and such is:

Mercedes PU106C Hybrid: 940-950
Ferrari 059/5: 920-925 (Shell developing new fuel for Australia that will narrow the gap to about 10-15hp to Mercedes)
Honda RA106H: 880-890 (910-915hp when new fuel was added today, another 10 when the new Mobil1 Lubricants come)
Renault (Tag Heuer) Energy F1: 870-880
Ferrari 059/4: 860 (This is the end figure for the 2015 power unit to 2015 regulations, but they have updated it with a 2016 TC/Compressor with the Waste gate tubes that brings it to around the 900 figure when Shell puts in its new fuels)

Generally 10hp is worth 0.03 of a sec a lap on average, so the Ferrari 056/6 is still about a half second off the Mercedes, and the Honda is about 1.8s off the Mercedes and the Renault is about 2.2 if all other variables are fixed. However aero levels and weights are not fixed yet, the lap times may still be a way off as there is still variables. Id say the real world estimate is the Ferrari is 0.2 to 0.3 off the Mercedes, the Honda is about 0.7 to 1.2 away from the Mercedes and the Renault is about 0.9 to 1.3 away.

Another year of intensive development on all the power units and things will be getting closer, and id recon the power units will be easily producing into the 1000-1100 figures, id say that figure will be reached mid season by all manufacturers once the do their first around Canada time or even second spec upgrade about Spa/Monza time. I am going to say the next element of focus will be the software side of things, as I'm sure the software can bring out a small increase in power as well.

Engine/power unit wise, 2016 is looking to be one hell of a talking point again.

Thank you all knowing prophet. In the meantime renault driver Palmer is saying 2015 merc PU is definitely more powerful than 2016 (!) renault PU, having driven both of them ofcourse. Enough so to easily feel the difference. We also know 2015 ferrari PU was almost a match for mercedes, but not quite. And yet your numbers would have us believe end figure for 2015 ferrari PUs and possibly even mercedes is LESS than 2016 renault.

Thanks, but no thanks.

Also, keep dreaming that wonderland that is 1000+ bhp from 100 kg/h.
edit. removed some of the potentially offensive content.

[Juzh]

http://www.laf1.es/noticias/mercedes-es ... aga-918208

Speculation:
Mercedes:950hp
Ferrari: 930
Renault: 900
Honda: 850

Can't be accurate. The gulf between 900 and 950 peak horsepower would not be so noticeable on track due to the nature of the engines. Common sense says Renault hasn't cracked 900hp yet because that would mean they have finally solved 90% of the issues, and they haven't!

Source: Andrew Benson.
Must be 100% accurate. Same as a joke of mercedes 48 and mclaren 20 kmh gain from finish line to end of straight speed trap which he launched some days ago on twitter (which he since deleted after he realized what a load of rubbish he wrote).

[PlatinumZealot]

It is careless to release power figures during the season, for obvious reasons. So anybody quoting power figures is lying.
Even Andy Cowell himself never released a figure. All he gave was a comparison with the Mercedes V8.

[gruntguru]

https://twitter.com/eboullier/status/704670926881816576

So any where from 10hp to 99hp. So informative that Mr. Boullier.

11?

[PhillipM]

https://twitter.com/eboullier/status/704670926881816576

So any where from 10hp to 99hp. So informative that Mr. Boullier.

11?

Close.

[Thunder]

Seems like Button is quite convinced Hasegawa is the right Man for Honda.
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/butto ... ontent=www

[davidfroshanzen]

For the Skunkworks/Old Boys Engine, it's still better this way, as it is easier to find reliability than outright performance.

Maybe the Old Boys engine could not be fitted in the McLaren car due to different parts at new places so the dimensions is wrong. The 2017 engine will probably be based on that one. Where does that leave the 2016 engine when it comes to upgrades?

I think the engine you refere to will be modyfied so that it could be fited by race 11 or 12 this year.....or so i hear.

My sources say that it could be improved in the first race

[Chene_Mostert]

Maybe the Old Boys engine could not be fitted in the McLaren car due to different parts at new places so the dimensions is wrong. The 2017 engine will probably be based on that one. Where does that leave the 2016 engine when it comes to upgrades?

I think the engine you refere to will be modyfied so that it could be fited by race 11 or 12 this year.....or so i hear.

My sources say that it could be improved in the first race

There are many "sources" when it comes to Honda. Many conflicting "sources"

[max_speed]

While on the face of it, Day One was a very encouraging session for McLaren, how much should we read into the downbeat remarks of Alonso last night about the new Honda engine?

"It’s too early to tell a real difference compared to the engine last week, as we focussed today on shorter runs and adjusting the balance and set-up of the car," said Fernando.

Is that Alonso's way of telling us not to draw any optimistic conclusions from their pace on Day One because they were on a qualifying simulation?

“I must say it doesn’t look too good for McLaren and Fernando Alonso thus far,” concludes Sky F1’s Ted Kravitz.

[GoranF1]

While on the face of it, Day One was a very encouraging session for McLaren, how much should we read into the downbeat remarks of Alonso last night about the new Honda engine?

"It’s too early to tell a real difference compared to the engine last week, as we focussed today on shorter runs and adjusting the balance and set-up of the car," said Fernando.

Is that Alonso's way of telling us not to draw any optimistic conclusions from their pace on Day One because they were on a qualifying simulation?

“I must say it doesn’t look too good for McLaren and Fernando Alonso thus far,” concludes Sky F1’s Ted Kravitz.

tell Ted it was a 8 lap stint, and that he improved on a following lap in sectors 1 and 2 and than let go.

[max_speed]

While on the face of it, Day One was a very encouraging session for McLaren, how much should we read into the downbeat remarks of Alonso last night about the new Honda engine?

"It’s too early to tell a real difference compared to the engine last week, as we focussed today on shorter runs and adjusting the balance and set-up of the car," said Fernando.

Is that Alonso's way of telling us not to draw any optimistic conclusions from their pace on Day One because they were on a qualifying simulation?

“I must say it doesn’t look too good for McLaren and Fernando Alonso thus far,” concludes Sky F1’s Ted Kravitz.

tell Ted it was a 8 lap stint, and that he improved on a following lap in sectors 1 and 2 and than let go.

would be better to tell Ted face to face in Melbounre Quali .i hope honda keeps it up.

[Chene_Mostert]

While on the face of it, Day One was a very encouraging session for McLaren, how much should we read into the downbeat remarks of Alonso last night about the new Honda engine?

"It’s too early to tell a real difference compared to the engine last week, as we focussed today on shorter runs and adjusting the balance and set-up of the car," said Fernando.

Is that Alonso's way of telling us not to draw any optimistic conclusions from their pace on Day One because they were on a qualifying simulation?

“I must say it doesn’t look too good for McLaren and Fernando Alonso thus far,” concludes Sky F1’s Ted Kravitz.

tell Ted it was a 8 lap stint, and that he improved on a following lap in sectors 1 and 2 and than let go.

Yes, because ERS let go.