[ 2020 ] Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

[SmallSoldier]

Also, in terms of the loss of performance... Carlos stated that they had to add some “bodywork” to better manage the heat and that the additional pieces to help with cooling added drag to the car... Our cooling layout may be different than Renault for example and therefore the heat is not very kind to the MCL35


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[CjC]

As was the case at the Styrian GP we are considerably slower at the second race at the same circuit on back to back weekends.

Any thoughts as to why?

It’s like we hit our performance ceiling almost immediately and it takes our rivals longer to find theirs and with the back to backs its just kills us

It’s also a possibility... But proteus made a good point also, RIC, LEC, VER, ALB and GAS all had brand new PU’s and probably that gave them a little performance advantage during Qualy (and potentially tomorrow in the race)... The teams ahead definitely improved more than Mclaren on this second race, but I wouldn’t discount also car setup... Last race, Mclaren set the car more towards Qualy and struggle in the race, hopefully they set the car more towards race pace and it will pay off tomorrow, but we shouldn’t expect miracles either.


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I don’t know the answers either. There’s obviously lots of different factors.
Mclaren ran more wing last weekend than other and this weekend the Mclaren have kept the same level of wing and our rivals have gone for even less!
That could help in the race but with it being a multi stop race any tyre advantage could be negated.

I feel Renault have moved ahead of us by a fair bit now, supposedly on Thursday the drivers said Renault have brought another upgrade this weekend and due to covid and the lack of photos I haven’t seen what they have brought.

Having a new PU today could be another reason to fall behind.

The performance ceiling I originally asked, it’s something I’ve felt since observing Mclaren from the Hamilton years, we would have strong Fridays only for Ferrari and Red Bull to move ahead the following days.

[SmallSoldier]

As was the case at the Styrian GP we are considerably slower at the second race at the same circuit on back to back weekends.

Any thoughts as to why?

It’s like we hit our performance ceiling almost immediately and it takes our rivals longer to find theirs and with the back to backs its just kills us

It’s also a possibility... But proteus made a good point also, RIC, LEC, VER, ALB and GAS all had brand new PU’s and probably that gave them a little performance advantage during Qualy (and potentially tomorrow in the race)... The teams ahead definitely improved more than Mclaren on this second race, but I wouldn’t discount also car setup... Last race, Mclaren set the car more towards Qualy and struggle in the race, hopefully they set the car more towards race pace and it will pay off tomorrow, but we shouldn’t expect miracles either.


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I don’t know the answers either. There’s obviously lots of different factors.
Mclaren ran more wing last weekend than other and this weekend the Mclaren have kept the same level of wing and our rivals have gone for even less!
That could help in the race but with it being a multi stop race any tyre advantage could be negated.

I feel Renault have moved ahead of us by a fair bit now, supposedly on Thursday the drivers said Renault have brought another upgrade this weekend and due to covid and the lack of photos I haven’t seen what they have brought.

Having a new PU today could be another reason to fall behind.

The performance ceiling I originally asked, it’s something I’ve felt since observing Mclaren from the Hamilton years, we would have strong Fridays only for Ferrari and Red Bull to move ahead the following days.

The cars are very sensitive to track conditions and that could also explain the swing from one weekend to the other... I remember last year at the US GP, the headwind during qualy benefited Mclaren because it help with the lack of front DF and it hampered other teams... In terms of the difference in performance between last week and this one, the following is what I could see as factors:

A) This weekend it has been hotter and Carlos said that they had to add some pieces to the car that create additional drag to manage the cooling on the car (our layout is different than Renault’s for example).

B) It has been windy, and the wind picked up during Q2/Q3, Mclaren’s aero could be more sensitive to those changes in wind speed and direction and therefore struggle with it more than it’s rivals.

C) Last week we were overheating the tires a bit, if this weekend is hotter than last one and going one step softer on the tires, it would have made the team struggle... Setting the car up towards the race, knowing that we weren’t so kind on the tires last weekend could have had a negative effect in performance... The car may be better suited to cooler conditions than hot conditions.

D) The teams/drivers ahead in Qualy had new PU’s available this weekend, RIC, VER, ALB, GAS, LEC all of them had brand spanking new PU’s and that should give them an slight advantage.


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[bauc]

Not the perfect day for us, but tomorrow is what counts, so fingers crossed we can get both cars in points tomorrow.

[proteus]

Overall, maybe car is set up for race. Tomorrow we will see.

[Macklaren]

Will be a different race for us tomorrow. Our focus will be in front rather than behind. That is when Carlos and Lando have delivered their best. Still lots to play for.

[godlameroso]

Goes to show how track conditions can mean the difference between p4 and p13. Hopefully the McLaren is kind on its rubber and can extend the stints for track position. They just have no pace this weekend compared to last week. The Renault of Riccardo has more pace than Norris. It'll be tough to get 5th again, especially with a good driver in the RP and Albon qualifying higher.

[martinbeiker]

Also, in terms of the loss of performance... Carlos stated that they had to add some “bodywork” to better manage the heat and that the additional pieces to help with cooling added drag to the car... Our cooling layout may be different than Renault for example and therefore the heat is not very kind to the MCL35


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He said his car was overheating more than Norris', so McLaren had to open up his cooling outlets, thus loosing top speed compared to Lando.

[SmallSoldier]

Also, in terms of the loss of performance... Carlos stated that they had to add some “bodywork” to better manage the heat and that the additional pieces to help with cooling added drag to the car... Our cooling layout may be different than Renault for example and therefore the heat is not very kind to the MCL35


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He said his car was overheating more than Norris', so McLaren had to open up his cooling outlets, thus loosing top speed compared to Lando.

Thanks for confirming


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[holeindalip]

The tire pressure increase probably has a big factor in car performance just in that....

[Macklaren]

Very interesting. The Alpha Tauris, Ricciardo and Hulk on top of the speed traps. Clearly running a low df config for quali. Question is whether that will compromise them tomorrow

[BrunoH]

i think the harder tires worked better for the Mclaren at this track, can be just that.. we might be best performing tomorrow once the hard tire comes on.. i think Lando will pit earlier than others to undercut like lap 10 ?

[martinbeiker]

Pics showing the difference in cooling between the two cars.

[diffuser]

As was the case at the Styrian GP we are considerably slower at the second race at the same circuit on back to back weekends.

Any thoughts as to why?

It’s like we hit our performance ceiling almost immediately and it takes our rivals longer to find theirs and with the back to backs its just kills us

It’s also a possibility... But proteus made a good point also, RIC, LEC, VER, ALB and GAS all had brand new PU’s and probably that gave them a little performance advantage during Qualy (and potentially tomorrow in the race)... The teams ahead definitely improved more than Mclaren on this second race, but I wouldn’t discount also car setup... Last race, Mclaren set the car more towards Qualy and struggle in the race, hopefully they set the car more towards race pace and it will pay off tomorrow, but we shouldn’t expect miracles either.


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Look out for Sainz starting on Hards.

[Big Tea]

As was the case at the Styrian GP we are considerably slower at the second race at the same circuit on back to back weekends.

Any thoughts as to why?

It’s like we hit our performance ceiling almost immediately and it takes our rivals longer to find theirs and with the back to backs its just kills us

It’s also a possibility... But proteus made a good point also, RIC, LEC, VER, ALB and GAS all had brand new PU’s and probably that gave them a little performance advantage during Qualy (and potentially tomorrow in the race)... The teams ahead definitely improved more than Mclaren on this second race, but I wouldn’t discount also car setup... Last race, Mclaren set the car more towards Qualy and struggle in the race, hopefully they set the car more towards race pace and it will pay off tomorrow, but we shouldn’t expect miracles either.


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Look out for Sainz starting on Hards.

Would leave the possibility of going for fastest lap very late.