That much is true, never thought he would hang on for this long with an uncompetitive car, you have to admire his loyalty.marcush. wrote:I don´t think it´s time to write off the old man.You can sense his passion and you have to applaude his dedication to make this team suceedand not simply walking away after 20 races .
Another poster named shawa666 came back with:Mercedes has almost no common history with the all-conquering Mercedes team of the 30s and 50s, except that it's owned by the same company (Mercedes-Benz). The current team started life in 1999 as British American Racing (BAR), which was essentially a vanity project set up by Jacques Villeneuve and his manager Craig Pollock, who persuaded British American Tobacco to sponsor a team, with cars designed by Reynard. BAR were massively unsuccessful until Prodrive's David Richards took over in early 2002, who did a deal with Honda (engine supplier since 2000) to be Honda's main team from 2003. In 2004 Richards' leadership got the team up to 2nd in the championship behind the all-conquering Ferrari, albeit with no wins. Richards stood down at the end of 2004, and in 2005 BAR had a bad season, being banned for 2 races for cheating at the San Marino Grand Prix (deliberately running the cars underweight).
Honda bought the team for 2006, and although they won a race that year, their performance tailed off so much that by 2008 they were back of the grid, and Ross Brawn was brought in early in 2008 to improve performance. Late in 2008 however, it was announced that Honda was pulling out of F1 completely, and hurried negotiations saw Brawn buy the team himself and rename it Brawn GP, using Mercedes engines, and with Honda bankrolling the 2009 season. After a quick re-design of the rear end to accommodate the Mercedes engine, Brawn went to the first race and proved how much they'd turned the team around with a 1-2 finish. Brawn went on to win the championship, before selling to Mercedes for the 2010 season, having also persuaded Schumacher to come out of retirement. Unfortunately for them the 2010 car wasn't as good, and Mercedes haven't won a race since returning.
To which intheballpark replied:Actually, The Current Mercedes outfit can trace it's roots back to a small organisation called Tyrrell. Which was bought by Craig Pollock to becom BAR.
I still sometimes see members of this board treating BAR/Honda/Brawn/Mercedes as rebadged Tyrrell's, despite others pointing out that nothing came from Tyrrell except for a few sheets of paperwork. I thought this guy did a nice write up to clarify the team's history. The team we root for today really got its start as BAR.Actually no. What Craig Pollock did was buy the entry rights of the Tyrrell team, and disposed of the entire rest of it. Therefore I considered it to be a new team, as it consisted of absolutely nothing from the old Tyrrell team.
Not disagreeing, I just want to read more! Do you have a source?Hail22 wrote:Mercedes has arrived in Melbourne and both cars have been placed in their respective garage spaces.
To demonstrate how close was between two last season,I will give you example with the driver on your avatar-Senna.In 1992 prime Senna outscored his teammate by a single point - 50:49(DNFs-7:6).Using the same point system Schumacher outscored Rosberg last season by 3 points-11:8(DNFs-5:2,plus few more front wing accidents).JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:
Rosberg has just been better than Schumacher. ..............
........Schumacher outscoring Rosberg this year is based on nothing we have learnt these last 2 years.
Schumacher was ahead of Rosberg after Canadian Grand Prix tooivand911 wrote: And yet, you are wrong. Michael lead Nico after Malaysia 2011.
The development never stops. The guys at Brackley will be working hard in the wind tunnel and CFD modelling to find the extra tenths from the package.elf341 wrote:I was hoping they'd arrive only on Thursday, as this might indicate they'd spent an extra 3 days development on the car.
Saw it in person, got in trouble to be frank with a mechanic for getting close while they were taking off the canvas on the topside of the freight carton.raymondu999 wrote:I'd guess he saw it himself - IIRC Hail22 said he'd be going over to the first race.
Just because the cars are here, it doesn't mean they can't fly in new parts...elf341 wrote:I was hoping they'd arrive only on Thursday, as this might indicate they'd spent an extra 3 days development on the car.
Exactly, they have the equipment, high pressure bakers, modeling department, painting department at hand 24/7 back at BrackleyNewtonMeter wrote:Just because the cars are here, it doesn't mean they can't fly in new parts...elf341 wrote:I was hoping they'd arrive only on Thursday, as this might indicate they'd spent an extra 3 days development on the car.
SchumiMercedes wrote:To demonstrate how close was between two last season,I will give you example with the driver on your avatar-Senna.In 1992 prime Senna outscored his teammate by a single point - 50:49(DNFs-7:6).Using the same point system Schumacher outscored Rosberg last season by 3 points-11:8(DNFs-5:2,plus few more front wing accidents).JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:
Rosberg has just been better than Schumacher. ..............
........Schumacher outscoring Rosberg this year is based on nothing we have learnt these last 2 years.
Just for the record Senna was easily outscored by Prost in 88 and 89,but some people still think He was a better driver
It's not difficult for driver to outscore his teammate when he is accident free and hase a lot less DNFs.Button did it last season and Webber almost did it in 2010.
