2012 Hungarian GP - Hungaroring

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Myurr wrote:
More importantly for him, he had a clean run on the second set of tyres so the tyres he starts the race on should be in good shape
LW had no choice but to set a quicker time on a new set as his first time was set on a used set from Q2. If he hadn't set a quicker time he would have had to start the race on tyres which are older than everyone else around him and would therefore have to stop earlier as they would go off earlier
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Race top 5:

1. Button
2. Alonso (make 3 places before first corner the rest will be up to strategy/undercutting others).
3. Hamilton (poor start)
4. Raikkonen
5. Massa


With rain predicted/with storms I see it similar to the start of 2011...however minus EBD, new wet setup by Ferrari/Sauber.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbllY87Z5C0[/youtube]
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Hail22 wrote:Race top 5:

1. Button
2. Alonso (make 3 places before first corner the rest will be up to strategy/undercutting others).
3. Hamilton (poor start)
4. Raikkonen
5. Massa


With rain predicted/with storms I see it similar to the start of 2011...however minus EBD, new wet setup by Ferrari/Sauber.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbllY87Z5C0[/youtube]

Wet setup does not exist anymore in F1.

Get your facts , boy.

Read some Q&A's with the drivers and technicians and you will understand.

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We only saw a couple of shots of Vettel's Q3 lap, and he had all 4 wheels off the track both times. Several other drivers abandoned laps after they went off the track. Clearly he got an advantage from this - it would be interesting to see the full lap. He should start from P10, then Button would be P3 on the clean side of the track. Vettel's 20 second penalty last week didn't teach him anything.

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My prediction is halfway done now ;)

I think Hamilton will dominate tomorrow as well. His pace on the hard compound in Q1 was insane.
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zyphro wrote:
SeijaKessen wrote:
No one has a worldbeater of a car this season, and the field has been narrowed tremendously due to the regulations. It's hard to build up any sizable lead due to the Pirelli tires being what they are.
This. None of the drivers are pushing, instead they're tip toeing around the circuit =D> #-o .
Well think about it.

It makes perfect sense that, at the end of the race, drivers are closer together than before. Its got nothing to do with the cars themselves being closer to each other from the car design - its the Tires. Everyones got the same tires - so everyone has to drive them to a certain level, in a certain operating window - and then make them last.

So obviously everyone is going to be driving at a similar pace, throughout the race. Its got nothing to do with this year being 'more competitive' in the traditional sense, meaning - its got nothing to do with the field being closer together on car performance or driver performance. Its because they're all on the same tires, and all have to drive those tires at similar speeds.

If they were on tires and refuelling and it was like normal....(the good old days) all the drivers would be pushing to their own limits, and their cars limits. And I guarantee the field would be more spread out then.

And thats why this season is an absolute Joke. It won't have been ANYTHING to do with the driver in Any way. At least in previous years, the driver had SOME sort of influence, but this year the driver has Zero influence. Ok yes, some teammates have coped better than others in getting the tires switched on so theres some influence, but thats still very dependent on teamwork and getting the setup correct - yes thats always been a part of it - but the big part of racing.....drivers pushing to their limits - is gone. Completely gone. Its sad.

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Nando wrote:My prediction is halfway done now ;)

I think Hamilton will dominate tomorrow as well. His pace on the hard compound in Q1 was insane.
Yes indeed he has incredible pace....but at what cost to the tires? Keep in mind his starts are complete crap. With Gros hardly ever making a first lap without incident, he may ram Hammy thus causing a wing or tire debacle, and then Vett and Alonso and Ric battle for first. [-o< Hamm seems to attract too much negative energy...we'll see soon enough!

Can't wait to see what happens.
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Chuckjr wrote:
Nando wrote:My prediction is halfway done now ;)

I think Hamilton will dominate tomorrow as well. His pace on the hard compound in Q1 was insane.
Yes indeed he has incredible pace....but at what cost to the tires? Keep in mind his starts are complete crap. With Gros hardly ever making a first lap without incident, he may ram Hammy thus causing a wing or tire debacle, and then Vett and Alonso and Ric battle for first. [-o< Hamm seems to attract too much negative energy...we'll see soon enough!

Can't wait to see what happens.
Keep in mind only 3 starts have been bad ;)

Grosjean will be busy with Vettel i think. The problem i think he will have is choosing the right tires at the right time.
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The race won't be wet, just checked the last forecast. Just sun.

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fiohaa wrote:So obviously everyone is going to be driving at a similar pace,
But they don´t.
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Kiril Varbanov wrote:The race won't be wet, just checked the last forecast. Just sun.
yr.no still say it will rain between 11.00 and 23.00
http://www.yr.no/sted/Ungarn/Pest/Mogyor%C3%B3d/

More specifically,
Rain will come at 14.00, ends at 19.00.

check the pictures below. It´s wet roads 20km away.
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fiohaa wrote: Well think about it.

It makes perfect sense that, at the end of the race, drivers are closer together than before. Its got nothing to do with the cars themselves being closer to each other from the car design - its the Tires. Everyones got the same tires - so everyone has to drive them to a certain level, in a certain operating window - and then make them last.

So obviously everyone is going to be driving at a similar pace, throughout the race. Its got nothing to do with this year being 'more competitive' in the traditional sense, meaning - its got nothing to do with the field being closer together on car performance or driver performance. Its because they're all on the same tires, and all have to drive those tires at similar speeds.

If they were on tires and refuelling and it was like normal....(the good old days) all the drivers would be pushing to their own limits, and their cars limits. And I guarantee the field would be more spread out then.

And thats why this season is an absolute Joke. It won't have been ANYTHING to do with the driver in Any way. At least in previous years, the driver had SOME sort of influence, but this year the driver has Zero influence. Ok yes, some teammates have coped better than others in getting the tires switched on so theres some influence, but thats still very dependent on teamwork and getting the setup correct - yes thats always been a part of it - but the big part of racing.....drivers pushing to their limits - is gone. Completely gone. Its sad.
And when you think about it a little more you realise that driving to a target time has no bearing what-so-ever on qualifying pace, where the cars are still incredibly close to each other. This isn't down to the tyres its down to various complex aerodynamic technologies being neutered, so the top teams are no longer gaining huge handfuls of time through blowing the diffuser, and otherwise relatively stable rules so that the teams all close on one another.

I know that the tyres have become the whipping boy this season, but they really are not the only factor. If anything the biggest problem, now that the teams have mostly understood the tyres, is that just as with the Bridgestones all the teams have adopted the same strategy in the races. We get exciting racing when there are two or more viable strategies and, when the cars are so closely matched, that requires two different tyres with different characteristics that balance out over a stint. This is something Bridgestone failed to provide, but Pirelli have managed a few times this season.

Edit: In Q2, two tenths of a second covers third through to 11th. That's not the tyres, that's the cars being incredibly close in performance.

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mcdenife wrote:Myurr wrote:
More importantly for him, he had a clean run on the second set of tyres so the tyres he starts the race on should be in good shape
LW had no choice but to set a quicker time on a new set as his first time was set on a used set from Q2. If he hadn't set a quicker time he would have had to start the race on tyres which are older than everyone else around him and would therefore have to stop earlier as they would go off earlier
Not true. He had new tyres for both runs.

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Nando wrote:
Kiril Varbanov wrote:The race won't be wet, just checked the last forecast. Just sun.
yr.no still say it will rain between 11.00 and 23.00
http://www.yr.no/sted/Ungarn/Pest/Mogyor%C3%B3d/

More specifically,
Rain will come at 14.00, ends at 19.00.

check the pictures below. It´s wet roads 20km away.
But only 0.5mm, which will burn off in seconds in the heat there.

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beelsebob wrote:
Nando wrote:
Kiril Varbanov wrote:The race won't be wet, just checked the last forecast. Just sun.
yr.no still say it will rain between 11.00 and 23.00
http://www.yr.no/sted/Ungarn/Pest/Mogyor%C3%B3d/

More specifically,
Rain will come at 14.00, ends at 19.00.

check the pictures below. It´s wet roads 20km away.
But only 0.5mm, which will burn off in seconds in the heat there.
5.8 mm from 14-16
http://www.yr.no/place/Hungary/Pest/Mog ... ailed.html