Red Bull RB10 Renault

[Shakeman]

The car is fine in normal operation.
What they are doing is going beyond the limits now, with something innovative, which we aren't aware of at the moment. When that is sorted it could be a silver bullet for them this year in winning the championship.
I would not say that Renault is unprepared, too much work has gone in for that to be the case. Redbull is the works team and i'm sure Renault have done simmulations with the Rb10 body work in worst case scenarios.
It's easier to believe they are doing something funky under the skin that should give them a performance edge, similar to how McLaren were trying the octopus exhaust and it was to ambitious to work.
If all fails, they'll just go back to the expected program.

That's fantasy and doesn't square with the very candid press release from Renault.

They're up the creek without a functioning power train.

[Furtado das Neves]

@ringo

If you are correct then it's another Horner/Newey trick and RB10 will be more dominant then last year.
Conspiracy theory in full progress! Congrats!
I like it! Great thought! If Horner read this he'll think: Damn, we were discovered!"
Nice =D>

[muelte]

In a season where reliability will be essential, that scenario is not exactly realistic.

If they begin the season with a unreliable car, they will probably out of contention after a few races due to new rules about engine allocation, penalties and lack of testing.

[piast9]

I think there are some fundamental flaw in their car cooling design. The car can't even run at the freezing cold weather at Jerez, how is it gonna survive the heat of Bahrain?

If a metal discolors in a way that we see in these pictures then I think the temperatures are really hot, like 200 or 300°C, maybe more. If I am right then the air being 10°C or 40°C doesn't make big difference in cooling.

[radosav]

I think there are some fundamental flaw in their car cooling design. The car can't even run at the freezing cold weather at Jerez, how is it gonna survive the heat of Bahrain?

If a metal discolors in a way that we see in these pictures then I think the temperatures are really hot, like 200 or 300°C, maybe more. If I am right then the air being 10°C or 40°C doesn't make big difference in cooling.

How come we see extra holes on car liveries when they race at hotter tracks!?

[muelte]

Well, 30 degrees could be the difference between a cool enough system and a overheated one. Keep in mind that everything heats a delta over ambient temperature.

[BorisTheBlade]

The difference is how the heat is distributed. If heat is evenly distributed then more outlets will help when the ambient temperature rises. But if you have hot spots more outlets most likely won't help. You need to repackage your system to get an air flow going to these parts or need things like additional radiators/heat spreader.

[muelte]

I agree. Probably Tey suffer both from hot spots and not enough cooling input and/or heat outputs

[rscsr]

The car is fine in normal operation.
What they are doing is going beyond the limits now, with something innovative, which we aren't aware of at the moment. When that is sorted it could be a silver bullet for them this year in winning the championship.
I would not say that Renault is unprepared, too much work has gone in for that to be the case. Redbull is the works team and i'm sure Renault have done simmulations with the Rb10 body work in worst case scenarios.
It's easier to believe they are doing something funky under the skin that should give them a performance edge, similar to how McLaren were trying the octopus exhaust and it was to ambitious to work.
If all fails, they'll just go back to the expected program.

According to Rob White, Renault is in serious troubles. For example the Dyno Tests don't correspond well to the trackside. Turbo controll systems problems and so on.
http://adamcooperf1.com/2014/01/31/rob- ... nce-level/

[l4mbch0ps]

Re: the cooling issues and hot spots.


I think you guys are mistaken that ambient temperatures won't have an effect on hot spots.

When something overheats, it's because the heat being produced is more than the heat being extracted. The difference can be extremely minor, say 1 degree per minute off balance - but over a short period of time, that can run out of control.

Small differences in ambient air temperature, humidity, pressure etc. can have knock on effects on complex systems like these cars.

[chip engineer]

According to Rob White, Renault is in serious troubles. For example the Dyno Tests don't correspond well to the trackside. Turbo controll systems problems and so on.
http://adamcooperf1.com/2014/01/31/rob- ... nce-level/

I'll bet Honda will be sure to be testing their engine in a car this year (like Ferrari did last year).
What old F1 cars are allowed for this kind of test?
Or maybe use an Indy car which already is setup for a Honda turbo V6.

[Hobbs04]

Red Bull's track history with Kers hasn't been the most reliable, alternators, kers failures, etc.

I think the brain trust in Milton Keynes is trying to squeeze as much performance in storage, weight, and out right electrical power. AFAIK red bull were the only team using super capacitors last year. Compared to batteries super capacitors get a lot hotter take in a lot of charge quickly and dump quickly.... If I had the poor Renault lump I would be exploring all avenues of performance. I have no doubt they'll work around this and be blindingly fast.

[Huntresa]

According to Rob White, Renault is in serious troubles. For example the Dyno Tests don't correspond well to the trackside. Turbo controll systems problems and so on.
http://adamcooperf1.com/2014/01/31/rob- ... nce-level/

I'll bet Honda will be sure to be testing their engine in a car this year (like Ferrari did last year).
What old F1 cars are allowed for this kind of test?
Or maybe use an Indy car which already is setup for a Honda turbo V6.

Honda can prob legally buy last years Mclaren if they want to and run that with the new engine how much they want. Just like you and me could do the same, wouldnt be different for them seeing as they arent in F1 and hasnt signed anything with Bernie or FIA yet.

[NathanOlder]

If that's entirely the case, why cant Mercedes sell one of their engines to a 3rd party, As well the W05 they have just finished testing with and then pay for the 3rd party to test it for 3 weeks in Qatar and send all the info back to Brackley. I know its not int he spirit of the rules, but that does'nt mean a thing anymore.

[Trocola]

If that's entirely the case, why cant Mercedes sell one of their engines to a 3rd party, As well the W05 they have just finished testing with and then pay for the 3rd party to test it for 3 weeks in Qatar and send all the info back to Brackley. I know its not int he spirit of the rules, but that does'nt mean a thing anymore.

Mercedes is already on F1. It is not the same for Honda

I thought these engines could be used on Le Mans.