That´s your interpretation. Maybe he was just waiting till the lapped cars to not destroy his tires beforeWynters wrote: ↑12 Jun 2017, 14:24Indeed. But, by the time Ocon was asking to get a shot at the Red Bull, Perez wasn't able to challenge Ric as his tyres had lost their grip.Andres125sx wrote: ↑12 Jun 2017, 12:22Yes, Ocon spent last third of the race glued to Perez´s gearbox.... as Perez spent half of the race glued to Ricciardo´s gearbox
Sorry but I see it different. While Ricciardo was just in front of Perez the gap Ric-Per was exactly the same as Per-Oco, always around a second, and it was consistent. Not sure where did you see Ocon pushing Perez along while Ricciardo opened a gap except at the final laps where Vettel was in between. But that was well after the team requirement. Only when Vettel arrived Ricciardo pushed again and opened a gap. At that point it was absurd to ask for a position swap as none of them had a chance to improve their position further, it was proved Ricciardo was just playing with them, he really was faster but only showed that pace when a threat to his third position emerged. That threat was Vettel, not Perez or Ocon, so I´d say none of the FI drivers ever had a real chance to pass RicciardoWynters wrote: ↑12 Jun 2017, 14:24At that point in the race, when Perez was dropping out of DRS range whilst Ocon was practically pushing him along, I think that Ocon was faster. The other interpretation is that Perez was deliberately dropping back, giving up his chance at a Podium just to push his team mate into the jaws of a much faster Ferrari (which Perez later made no attempt to defend his place from). Of the two scenarios, I think Perez's tryes going off is a more logical one than Perez deliberately sabotaging himself and his team mate, no?Andres125sx wrote: ↑12 Jun 2017, 12:22That arguing would be correct if Perez was in clean air, but he wasn´t, so his pace was obvously faster than he was able to show while in RBR dirty air, wich means we can´t know who was faster Perer or Ocon.
Even if we were to ignore every other point, Ocon lost seconds going off the circuit when Vettel passed him. Perez lost no time when Vettel passed him. What was the gap when they crossed the finish line?
I usually support TOs, contrary to what most people think I think drivers must follow teams instructions, but there are some wich are fair, while others are not. When a faster car is stuck behind a slower one, a teammate position swap is a good idea as maybe a different driving style can make a difference, but when the car in front is not slower but only playing leader, then it´s not fair as no chaser can make a difference, apart from being prepared just in case he makes a mistake, and obviously any driver can do that, so it should be the driver who reach that position earlier. At least that´s my opinion
To me yesterday that was the scenario, Perez or Ocon never had a real chance on Ricciardo, so letting Ocon pass would have meant that hypothetic chance to pass Ricciardo if he made a mistake would have been gifted to the driver at the back instead of the driver in front.
To me it´s similar to strategies, wich are always prioritized to the car in front obviously. Yesterday the only real strategy for FI was to be prepared if Ricciardo made a mistake and any of them is good enough for that, so I see no reason to gift that chance to the car wich reach that position later.
Ok didn´t realice about that, sorry for the misreadingWynters wrote: ↑12 Jun 2017, 14:24The original poster claimed that Checo has never been given anything. I suggested that, perhaps, he might've been. That's why I specifically quoted that section of their post. I'm not questioning his talent at all and it's odd that you would bring such an aspersion into it, both implying I said something I demonstrably did not and deliberately ignoring the context I was careful to put in place.Andres125sx wrote: ↑12 Jun 2017, 12:22And mentioning Carlos Slim does not add anything to the dicussion, except if you´re putting in doubt Checho talent. I hope that´s not your intention...
If I didn't think he was a good driver, I wouldn't be saying that Ocon should have DotD for, among other things, being faster than Perez yesterday.
No, he simply, as he said himself, was waiting for a chance as he did for sooooo many laps. Imagine being stuck behind a car with no real chance to overtake for half a race, and just when you both are reaching lapped cars so you see some minor chance to have a real chance, your teams ask you to let that real chance to your teammateWynters wrote: ↑12 Jun 2017, 14:24Agreed, not fair to Perez at all. But the team needs every point it can get. Whilst swapping is definitely not fair to Perez, is Perez putting himself before the team fair to every other employee of Force India?Andres125sx wrote: ↑12 Jun 2017, 12:22Add to that Perez spent more time in dirty air when compared to Ocon, then I don´t think a position swap would have been fair at all.
It´s a difficult decision, I think he as a FI employee should follow TOs, but in that specific scenario I can understand him
