USF1 -- F1's All-American Challenger

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On the original "USF1" web-site, what struck me was the poor quality of the material itself, in particular their CV's.

Windsor is just a rambling journo, who long time ago impersonated a Williams marketing-something for a while, he wouldn't know the first thing about building, let alone running, a Formula one team.
Murray Walker would most probably do a better job.

As for design-engineering tools, CAD is just that, most serious design-leaders, including John Barnard and Adrian Newey, typically starts out with pen and paper to get the feel for their ideas. I use millimeter-paper myself.

But long before you start working on solids for the manufacturing of parts for a Formula one car, I can imagine you must have gone through all sorts of wind-tunnel and FEA work?
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Ken Anderson went on record saying that after they find out if their entry will be accepted or not, they will start building the parts for the car. He hopes to put the car on track by November, depending on the engine supplier.

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jddh1 wrote:Ken Anderson went on record saying that after they find out if their entry will be accepted or not, they will start building the parts for the car. He hopes to put the car on track by November, depending on the engine supplier.

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They've got a deal with Cosworth, so does that mean that they'll have to wait for an engine to be built and delivered?
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Jeez guys. Seems you really don't want them to succeed. Lighten up! These guys are starting from nothing in an economic climate that is pretty bad. The fact that they are even trying speaks pretty highly of their love for the sport to me. What's with all the disdain around here? You guys love competition, yet you scoff at someone trying to put forth an effort to compete!
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Yuo are right, but i understand the others too.

I mean, they want to set everything up within a year, that can impossible succeed, remember lola? They had more time and they failed miserably
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Ray wrote:Jeez guys. Seems you really don't want them to succeed.
Exactly. That has been the attitude among basement-dwelling European teenagers since the very first leak, and it will continue to be the attitude among that demographic.

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OK, let's try to act like an intelligent group of F1 fans.

The US effort has gotten a lot of well deserved negativity. OK, they are not very convincing -- but compared to whom?

I'd love to see some facts about the other teams that are supposed to be entering next year.

Does Richards have a car ready to go?

How far along is "Litespeed"?

Will Lola definitely do better this time around than last time? Why?

Anyone out there have some facts? You's do all of us a service if you would share facts.
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Ray wrote:Jeez guys. Seems you really don't want them to succeed. Lighten up! These guys are starting from nothing inan economic climate that is pretty bed. The fact that they are even trying speaks pretty highly of their love for the sport to me. What's with all the disdain around here?
Hear, hear! I hope USGPE have a respectable 1st year in F1 and applaud them for taking the path less traveled!

I just hope they dont hire Danica Patrick, sure she is cute but cant drive and has 1 win on an oval which was a fluke - her results on road courses are pathetic!
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The thing that sounds so incredible is the plan to manufacture their own chassis from sratch. Unless I'm very mistaken all top US single seater series have their chassis and partivularly the monocoque made in Europe. Where is he going to get the specialized designers, laminators, vehicle dynamic engineers with experience in F1 tyres, gear box, hydraulics, electronics and KERS suppliers and the people who can interface with these guys who all come from Europe. It is going to be a hack of a challenge.
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What is the idea of the european base then?

They have mentioned it several times.

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PNSD wrote:What is the idea of the european base then?

They have mentioned it several times.
It's just for logistical purposes & a home away from home during pre-season testing / European Leg of the F1 Season.
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djos wrote:
PNSD wrote:What is the idea of the european base then?

They have mentioned it several times.
It's just for logistical purposes & a home away from home during pre-season testing / European Leg of the F1 Season.
And for the management to bring the wifes for a mediterenean shopping trip. Ergo Barcelona would do. But there are no suppliers and F1 engineers in Barcelona.
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Where are all of the people that got pinkslips from Brackley a few months ago?

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WhiteBlue wrote:The thing that sounds so incredible is the plan to manufacture their own chassis from sratch. Unless I'm very mistaken all top US single seater series have their chassis and partivularly the monocoque made in Europe. Where is he going to get the specialized designers, laminators, vehicle dynamic engineers with experience in F1 tyres, gear box, hydraulics, electronics and KERS suppliers and the people who can interface with these guys who all come from Europe. It is going to be a hack of a challenge.
Are all the Indy cars and former C.A.R.T. cars made in Europe?

You don't need an F1 person to make an F1 car, everyone has to start from somewhere, and the fraternity is not so tightly closed that nobody can get in to it anymore. It's a racing car, with dimension, and specs. Users on our forum are making virtual cars, that 10 years ago, likely would have won the championship if they were built.

You hire people for your team, and if they are from other countries, they will relocate. If your dream is to be part of an F1 team, and that team is not in Europe, most aspiring people would move stateside. I would move to Europe for an F1 job.

Bridgestone has a representative that will give all the data the team needs for tires. Everything will be done so they can provide tires to them.

Assuming that America can not figure out something that Europe can is about the only stupid thing I've seen from you WB :)

KERS, gearbox, engine can all be purchased. You don't need to be a gearbox ninja to change sprockets for ratios.

The talent is in the states, and if is not, it can be brought in. Carbon laying? Look at Voyager and Spaceship 1. You think those kids can lay carbon fibre?

Carbon is not as hard as one might think. its a sheet and some resin. Most fibreglass guys can do carbon, and one will be able to step up to the challenges of F1 body making.

I guess what I am trying to say, is at the end of the day, they are tubs with wheels and engines.

As much as everyone seems to think Peter Windsor is an idiot, he knows more then us, and knows more people in F1 then all of us put together.

The expression "It's not what you know, it's who you blow" applies here, and Windsor has been blowing the whole paddock for years.

If, for example, Toyota decide to hang up their hat, and there are two race drivers out of work. Trulli has always given Peter the time of day when he asked, unlike, say, Kimi, who seems to avoid him like the plague, who is going to get the nod if either of them come knocking?

This scenario with Windsor applies to all kinds of folk, that he has been interviewing, eating lunch with, and building a relationship with for years. These people are all over F1.

I guess I am sending + vibes his way, because I want F1 to become an international sport again. Europe is one big country now, and the middle east, is the middle east. the 350,000,000 people in North America want racing again, and that will will drive the team to get the talent it needs, over time.

The negativity here seems to spawn from somewhere... I just can't figure out why people seem to HATE Windsor, as opposed to "not being a fan".
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WhiteBlue wrote:The thing that sounds so incredible is the plan to manufacture their own chassis from sratch. Unless I'm very mistaken all top US single seater series have their chassis and particularly the monocoque made in Europe. Where is he going to get the specialized designers, laminators, vehicle dynamic engineers with experience in F1 tyres, gear box, hydraulics, electronics and KERS suppliers and the people who can interface with these guys who all come from Europe. It is going to be a hack of a challenge.
I guess Hitco, the guys who make carbon/carbon brakes can't help them out? How can you say that? Just because we don't produce a race car made of carbon for a single seater series doesn't mean we can't lay it. Do you think no one in this country knows how to lay carbon fiber? Heck there are even people that make carbon fiber bikes, planes, brake ducts, and other things in this country. We can do it, we have to simply adapt that knowledge to a race car. Not too hard for us, I'm guessing what the general consensus is, 'dumb Americans'. Hell the Corvette GT1 cars are mostly CF. We aren't all 'rednecks' you know. If we don't have the talent for something, there is a neat little invention called the telephone. You can reach alot of knowledgeable people with it, and possibly hire them to work for you. Like Giblet said, they will purchase these things from those who know it intimately and will learn from them.

What is with all this negative nancy crap floating around? I LOVE competition, no matter where it comes from and who they are employing. I'm thrilled to see an Arab Sheik in Top Fuel and Funny Car drag racing this year with the NHRA! Mostly because it gives Antron Brown a ride this season, and he's kicking ass in Top Fuel. That dude can drive anything, and I'm cheering him and his team on. And the Arabs have no Top Fuel background, and all the employees are American. Perfect example of what we are discussing. An Arab buying an American team, to go racing in a sport that is widly popular here but not in the Middle East until recently.