Red Bull RB8 Renault

[jz11]

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 47419.html

it's about traction after all hardingfv32!!!

there are waaaay to many uknowns to draw conclusions like that, am I the only one that finds it weird that they could be benefiting from extra gas flow (when the engine is spinning-breathing slower then it would normally), accelerate sooner while having 30% less torque, how that even makes any sense?

without actual telemetry data that proves drivers exploiting that rpm range in the way they suggest, this nothing more than a rumor

[turbof1]

IMO, Red Bull should be punished for trying to bullshit their way out of it. the stewards expiclitly told that they didn't buy it; McLaren got punished for lying in 2009. Red Bull should get the same treatment.

Also, might be a difficult question, but can somebody give an estimate of how many tenths a round this gave Red Bull at Hockenheim? Just to get a picture of how much they would loose out next race.

[hardingfv32]

I've seen it termed "traction management

The correct term is 'drivability' characteristics. There is absolutely nothing illegal with improving 'drivability' if done within the current rule set. This has no correlation to 'traction control'.

Brian

[hardingfv32]

I the only one that finds it weird that they could be benefiting from extra gas flow (when the engine is spinning-breathing slower then it would normally), accelerate sooner while having 30% less torque, how that even makes any sense?

You are correct. The ideas being proposed due not add up to a performance gain. Normal half baked ideas that no one puts the effort out to valid. If someone does, please feel free to expand on how you get a performance gain.

Brian

[marcush.]

http://www.binsfeld.com/client/pdf/TTRe ... _specs.pdf

torque measurement on rorating shaft

[FlYiNgIcEmAn]

Yesterday was the TGW meeting, but they didn't talk about the RBR case.

@Dimi PAPADOPOULOS:
Omnicorse reports that TWG did not talk about the RBR case in yesterdays meeting.

[Huntresa]

They did talk but couldnt reach an agreement, but we can still espect a TD tommorow or on thursday.

[FlYiNgIcEmAn]

They did talk but couldnt reach an agreement, but we can still espect a TD tommorow or on thursday.

Update:
FIA force Redbull to change their mappins => http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/101476

[Huntresa]

They did talk but couldnt reach an agreement, but we can still espect a TD tommorow or on thursday.

Update:
FIA force Redbull to change their mappins => http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/101476

Its gr8 when you are right

[Guisson]

Explain me Something ..If Formula 1 is all about new ideas & creativity so ..Why the FIA is all the time blocking all the ways to innovative solutions ? ( The Engineers can't find a single solution since they know it would be banned..)
The Mapping Trick was Legal as they were within the rules ..
F1 is on it's way to become GP1 ..

[Owen.C93]

Explain me Something ..If Formula 1 is all about new ideas & creativity so ..Why the FIA is all the time blocking all the ways to innovative solutions ? ( The Engineers can't find a single solution since they know it would be banned..)
The Mapping Trick was Legal as they were within the rules ..
F1 is on it's way to become GP1 ..

Because they outlawed traction control to improve the show. If there was a loop hole to run it anyway then why would they not change that? Besides F1 wouldn't have the "new ideas and creativity" tag if things weren't getting banned by the FIA, otherwise it would slip under the radar on nobody would give a crap.

[mx_tifoso]

From here onwards, please direct any comments related to the engine mapping situation to this thread. Any future comments posted in here will be moved there without notice.

[alogoc]

number of used engines

https://p.twimg.com/Ayp5iAiCYAEidsm.png:large

[turbof1]

number of used engines

https://p.twimg.com/Ayp5iAiCYAEidsm.png:large

Now those are some nice statistics. Ferrari engines look very durable! Of all drivers with a ferrari engine, only kobayashi has his fifth engine mounted. All the others even succeeded in using 1 engine for 4 consecutive races. Very impressive.
That said, I am a bit worried about the other engines. We are now at the midway point and with only 3 fresh engines remaining we have 10 races with 2 circuits, Spa and especially Monza, being extra harsh on the engine.

[alogoc]

number of used engines

https://p.twimg.com/Ayp5iAiCYAEidsm.png:large

Now those are some nice statistics. Ferrari engines look very durable! Of all drivers with a ferrari engine, only kobayashi has his fifth engine mounted. All the others even succeeded in using 1 engine for 4 consecutive races. Very impressive.
That said, I am a bit worried about the other engines. We are now at the midway point and with only 3 fresh engines remaining we have 10 races with 2 circuits, Spa and especially Monza, being extra harsh on the engine.

Ferrari had to do it as in the near future they will risk whit angled engine!