2014-2020 Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula

[WhiteBlue]

I don't think it is necessary in this case. The qualifying map will not be useful in the race and vice versa. It is sufficient that the FiA allows to have these modes and use them in the appropriate sessions. Perhaps the quali mode would be intersting for the last lap of the race. If they want to stop teams to use it there they could lock it from the SECU, but I doubt they will bother.

[rjsa]

That just wont happen IMHO, agians all that's been done in the past 20 years or so.

[Holm86]

They already have several different engine maps as it is today. They don't break parc ferme regulations.

There are different fuel saving maps and performance maps today. Can't see why that would be any different next year.

[ringo]

then why is it saying that the aerodynamics must live with reduced output?
That article is conflicting to itself. That line about qualifying is from their imagination. The quotes are more accurate.

There is no conflict in my view. The downforce cut is discussed in great detail in the 2014 design thread. There should be no question that downforce initially will be cut until designers can perhaps claw it back over some years.
The qualifying is also justified. You can fully deplete the energy storage in qualifying because in your in lap you don't need the extra 160 bhp from the MGU-K and you don't even need to spool up your turbo. Those are all things that you need in a race for the next lap, it follows that you can tweak your energy management to take advantage of a higher average electrical power in qualifying.

I'm referring to the horsepower number of 800

[rjsa]

They already have several different engine maps as it is today. They don't break parc ferme regulations.

There are different fuel saving maps and performance maps today. Can't see why that would be any different next year.

Do they have qualifying maps? (honest question, I have no clue and was mixing thortle pedal response shaping with engine maps...)

[Holm86]

They already have several different engine maps as it is today. They don't break parc ferme regulations.

There are different fuel saving maps and performance maps today. Can't see why that would be any different next year.

Do they have qualifying maps? (honest question, I have no clue and was mixing thortle pedal response shaping with engine maps...)

I don't know if I'll call them qualifying maps but they have different maps for performance versus fuel consumption. I'm pretty sure they run a map that's more performance orientated in qualifying than in the race. But they adjust it several times during the race.

[wuzak]

They already have several different engine maps as it is today. They don't break parc ferme regulations.

There are different fuel saving maps and performance maps today. Can't see why that would be any different next year.

Do they have qualifying maps? (honest question, I have no clue and was mixing thortle pedal response shaping with engine maps...)

I don't know if I'll call them qualifying maps but they have different maps for performance versus fuel consumption. I'm pretty sure they run a map that's more performance orientated in qualifying than in the race. But they adjust it several times during the race.

Under next year's rules the one they run for the majority of the race will be the same as the one used in qualifying.

The longer life of these new engines could be bad news for the midfield and tail end teams. At present the top teams probably don't run max power in Q1, and possibly not in Q2, to preserve engine life - since the engines were originally designed to last only a weekend or two. Now that the engines are designed for longevity they could probably run them at maximum potential for longer. The gap to the Marussias and Caterhams could be bigger.

The only major difference between the race and qualifying is that in qualifying they will, most likely, do their timed run with a full charge (4MJ) rather than regular race sitation of 2MJ (as in generate 2MJ per lap and use it in that lap). They may be able to start with the 4MJ (not sure if they can charge up before they leave the pits, or if they have to charge up on out lap).

[WhiteBlue]

At present the top teams probably don't run max power in Q1, and possibly not in Q2, to preserve engine life - since the engines were originally designed to last only a weekend or two. Now that the engines are designed for longevity they could probably run them at maximum potential for longer.

I think initially that will not happen. All power unit manufacturers expect reliability problems which will be compounded by the fact that much bigger content is now included in the five power unit rule. The power units will split down into ICE, the turbo unit, MGU-K, MGU-H and power electronics package. You only have five of all these and they are all new design and untested on the track. I reckon that reliability concerns will lead to the same kind of tactics that engine wear concerns are producing now. At least it is a possibility.

[Huntresa]

They already have several different engine maps as it is today. They don't break parc ferme regulations.

There are different fuel saving maps and performance maps today. Can't see why that would be any different next year.

Do they have qualifying maps? (honest question, I have no clue and was mixing thortle pedal response shaping with engine maps...)

I don't know if I'll call them qualifying maps but they have different maps for performance versus fuel consumption. I'm pretty sure they run a map that's more performance orientated in qualifying than in the race. But they adjust it several times during the race.

I dont think its actually possible to change the maps during the race without hooking it upto the computer. They run maps, and ofc within those you have high performance and low performance and everything in between, but once you have done those maps in quali you cant change them again and you are stuck with the maps you choose.

[Holm86]

It's possible to have several maps onboard the ECU. You don't need to hook the ECU up to a computer every time you switch maps. You can store maps on the ECU. You can have a full performance map, a maps that's more fuel saving orientated and a rain map. And they can be changed on the fly on the steering wheel.


EDIT: http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/ne ... ring-wheel note point 05 and 15. If that's not changing the map I don't know what it is.

[Huntresa]

It's possible to have several maps onboard the ECU. You don't need to hook the ECU up to a computer every time you switch maps. You can store maps on the ECU. You can have a full performance map, a maps that's more fuel saving orientated and a rain map. And they can be changed on the fly on the steering wheel.


EDIT: http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/ne ... ring-wheel note point 05 and 15. If that's not changing the map I don't know what it is.

If you read what i said then read what you said, you see we both said the same thing except i added that after Quali they cant change the maps they have, which is what i was poiting out with the computer hookup. As in after Quali they have what they have for the race, and it can be 10000 maps or 10.

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[WhiteBlue]

I think initially that will not happen. All power unit manufacturers expect reliability problems which will be compounded by the fact that much bigger content is now included in the five power unit rule. The power units will split down into ICE, the turbo unit, MGU-K, MGU-H and power electronics package. You only have five of all these and they are all new design and untested on the track. I reckon that reliability concerns will lead to the same kind of tactics that engine wear concerns are producing now. At least it is a possibility.

I doubt it, a turbo engine a such low boost/rpm and with modern technology should last forever, clutches and gearboxes is a different matter though. But at the end of the day, design-engineering is all about sizing and as all manufacturers have built their own gearboxes for many years now, I think they have a pretty idea on how to deal with both torques and rpms.

Ross Brawn and Luca Marmorini have predicted higher reliability problems and it would be reasonable to expect them IMO. With every new generation of engines we used to have teething problems. I see no reason for that to change. Just by looking at the rpms these MGUs are running scares me. All of those units will be liquid cooled including the power electronics. Plenty of things to potentially go wrong.

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