2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Silent Storm]

Hotter by how much exactly?

Just checked last years data and it shows that Baku, Monza and Hungary had 40° or higher track temperature. Rest all other European races were around 28-33°

Yesterday's sprint race (33°) and today's race was (30.6°)

Important to note that track temperature dropped below 30° in some European races in second half of the race.

[chrisc90]

Bahrain
Air temp Start:18.3c
Air temp End: 17.6c
Track temp Start: 23.8c
Track temp End: 22.3c

Jeddah
Air temp Start:25.4c
Air temp End: 25.3c
Track temp Start: 31.9c
Track temp End: 30.1c

Australia
Air temp Start:20.4c
Air temp End: 21.6c
Track temp Start: 38.8c
Track temp End: 37.4c

Japan
Air temp Start:22.5c
Air temp End: 19.8c
Track temp Start: 40.0c
Track temp End: 31.3c

China
Air temp Start:18.8c
Air temp End: 18.2c
Track temp Start: 30.5c
Track temp End: 27.4c


Without going back through 2023 season and looking at the same sort of data, I reckon be MASSIVELY PUSHED to get track temps that are going to be much warmer than that.

[Xyz22]

The car is now clearly too unbalanced towards keeping the tyres alive, especially with Charles.

His last lap on the first stint (42.0) was only 0.2s slower than his fastest lap in the first stint (41.8 ). That's crazy.

[venkyhere]

Anything poorer than P3 and P4 will be a disaster for Ferrari.
The Mclarens and Aston are either poor in the straights or bad with tyre wear. Without any safety car or any mechanical damage, in normal course, I expect the Ferraris to go past them by 2/3rd race distance. I still think Ferrari have the next best race pace to Redbull.

Yes, it was a disaster.
LeClerc started P6, Norris P4, both lucked their pitstops with SC ; yet LeClerc finished 10s behind Norris, in a track dominated by slow+medium turns AND long straights (all of which are the Achilles heel of Mclaren). Remove the approx 10 laps of SC, and that translates to 10/46 ~= 0.22s per lap lost to McLaren in race pace, while the sprint advantage over McLaren was 5/19 ~= 0.26 per lap. Apple to apple comaprison since tyre compounds used were same by both. That's a swing of nearly 1/2 a second a lap, from Saturday to Sunday. A car that is good with tyre wear may suffer a delay in getting tyres up to temp, but that doesn't mean it sinks like a rock in the manner we saw today. To me, this means Ferrari messed up their car setup post sprint, and the H tyre simply failed to work like it did for the other front runner teams.

@Vanja called it right yesterday.

[LM10]

Vanja, thank you for being one of the very few here making sense. This thread is ridiculous at times - everything is either black or white. It only takes one race for all to reset their minds and call everything a disaster.

Seems like some people here like to ignore obvious factors like how the SF-24 is built und works. It's not a surprise anymore that cold weather makes the car struggle and it should also not be a surprise that most of the races in the calendar will have hot weather with high track temps where Ferrari in comparison to others will excel. It's happened this year already when Ferrari had best deg of the field, even better than RBR, as you pointed out.

Instead of thinking about it and being happy that even in such conditions the team maximized points and scored as many points as McLaren they go on a hating spree and talk about an awful weekend or that there is a lot lot lot (times 100) of work to do.

First races with a brand new concept for Ferrari, no upgrades yet and still clear number two in the constructor's standings with less gap to Red Bull than to McLaren behind. Where is the problem?

[venkyhere]

Anything poorer than P3 and P4 will be a disaster for Ferrari.
The Mclarens and Aston are either poor in the straights or bad with tyre wear. Without any safety car or any mechanical damage, in normal course, I expect the Ferraris to go past them by 2/3rd race distance. I still think Ferrari have the next best race pace to Redbull.

Yes, it was a disaster.
LeClerc started P6, Norris P4, both lucked their pitstops with SC ; yet LeClerc finished 10s behind Norris, in a track dominated by slow+medium turns AND long straights (all of which are the Achilles heel of Mclaren). Remove the approx 10 laps of SC, and that translates to 10/46 ~= 0.22s per lap lost to McLaren in race pace, while the sprint advantage over McLaren was 5/19 ~= 0.26 per lap. Apple to apple comaprison since tyre compounds used were same by both. That's a swing of nearly 1/2 a second a lap, from Saturday to Sunday. A car that is good with tyre wear may suffer a delay in getting tyres up to temp, but that doesn't mean it sinks like a rock in the manner we saw today. To me, this means Ferrari messed up their car setup post sprint, and the H tyre simply failed to work like it did for the other front runner teams.

@Vanja called it right yesterday.

[Vinlarr89]

Vanja, thank you for being one of the very few here making sense. This thread is ridiculous at times - everything is either black or white. It only takes one race for all to reset their minds and call everything a disaster.

Seems like some people here like to ignore obvious factors like how the SF-24 is built und works. It's not a surprise anymore that cold weather makes the car struggle and it should also not be a surprise that most of the races in the calendar will have hot weather with high track temps where Ferrari in comparison to others will excel. It's happened this year already when Ferrari had best deg of the field, even better than RBR, as you pointed out.

Instead of thinking about it and being happy that even in such conditions the team maximized points and scored as many points as McLaren they go on a hating spree and talk about an awful weekend or that there is a lot lot lot (times 100) of work to do.

First races with a brand new concept for Ferrari, no upgrades yet and still clear number two in the constructor's standings with less gap to Red Bull than to McLaren behind. Where is the problem?

Thankyou, another sensible human being on here! What people fail to remember is very few if any cars have ever been as consistent as the RBRs and now we expect to suddenly match this level of consistency.

Yes clearly work to do to be able to manage the tyres better, but I think setup played a big part today, as car was much more competitive in the sprint.

What we need to be mindful of is MB. Look how they struggle season after season. They were considered the gold standard just 3 seasons ago. Put things into perspective

[Xyz22]

Yeah, Vanja was on the money with his prediction yesterday.

Leclerc indeed tried to extend the first stint as much as possible. Sainz couldn't do it, as he was losing around 1s per lap in the last part of the stint.

Without the SC Leclerc would have kept going on as he made 3 consecutive laptimes within 0.1s (around 42.0) after Sainz pitstop to pull off the one-stop strategy. Of course, they expected a much better performance with the hard tyres.

[LetHimTrough]

Without a timely VSC/SC, probably Ferrari could have taken more from this race. I think Norris would have struggled to pushed the mediums to a 1 stop. Even though Leclerc wasn't miles faster pre-SC the next 3 or 4 laps would have been important to check it as Leclerc was getting just slightly faster than Norris.

And Vasseur had said they wanted to see the car in different Temp combinations, that they werent sure yet of the clear jump to Red Bull pace. So it is something they are clearly aware of.

But another faultless weekend operationally speaking or strategically.

[Silent Storm]

Yeah, Vanja was on the money with his prediction yesterday.

Leclerc indeed tried to extend the first stint as much as possible. Sainz couldn't do it, as he was losing around 1s per lap in the last part of the stint.

Without the SC Leclerc would have kept going on as he made 3 consecutive laptimes within 0.1s (around 42.0) to pull off the one-stop strategy. Of course, they expected a much better performance with the hard tyres.

Are you talking about lap 13-15?

[Xyz22]

Yeah, Vanja was on the money with his prediction yesterday.

Leclerc indeed tried to extend the first stint as much as possible. Sainz couldn't do it, as he was losing around 1s per lap in the last part of the stint.

Without the SC Leclerc would have kept going on as he made 3 consecutive laptimes within 0.1s (around 42.0) to pull off the one-stop strategy. Of course, they expected a much better performance with the hard tyres.

Are you talking about lap 13-15?

18-19-20

[CouncilorIrissa]

Vanja, thank you for being one of the very few here making sense. This thread is ridiculous at times - everything is either black or white. It only takes one race for all to reset their minds and call everything a disaster.

Seems like some people here like to ignore obvious factors like how the SF-24 is built und works. It's not a surprise anymore that cold weather makes the car struggle and it should also not be a surprise that most of the races in the calendar will have hot weather with high track temps where Ferrari in comparison to others will excel. It's happened this year already when Ferrari had best deg of the field, even better than RBR, as you pointed out.

Instead of thinking about it and being happy that even in such conditions the team maximized points and scored as many points as McLaren they go on a hating spree and talk about an awful weekend or that there is a lot lot lot (times 100) of work to do.

First races with a brand new concept for Ferrari, no upgrades yet and still clear number two in the constructor's standings with less gap to Red Bull than to McLaren behind. Where is the problem?

Thankyou, another sensible human being on here! What people fail to remember is very few if any cars have ever been as consistent as the RBRs and now we expect to suddenly match this level of consistency.

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What we need to be mindful of is MB. Look how they struggle season after season. They were considered the gold standard just 3 seasons ago. Put things into perspective

Well, it's not like the competition has any choice if they want to win, is it? Red Bull show that it's possible to have a car that works in all conditions for two season straight, all while having the least wind tunnel time allocation of any team.

My personal annoyance stems from the fact that the team has brought two minor upgrades, yet seems to go backwards compared to MCL who brought none. With them bringing upgrades in Miami, Ferrari are practically guaranteed to finish 5-6 at best.

[Seanspeed]

Well, it's not like the competition has any choice if they want to win, is it? Red Bull show that it's possible to have a car that works in all conditions for two season straight, all while having the least wind tunnel time allocation of any team.

My personal annoyance stems from the fact that the team has brought two minor upgrades, yet seems to go backwards compared to MCL who brought none. With them bringing upgrades in Miami, Ferrari are practically guaranteed to finish 5-6 at best.

Ferrari has hardly brought any upgrades. One super minor suspension arm fairing tweak, and a different spec rear wing.

Either way, this isn't how it works anyways. Miami will have its own unique characteristics and conditions. They will have every chance to fight for a podium again. It would be silly to suggest that Ferrari isn't still generally the faster car compared to Mclaren. All it proves is that Mclaren is indeed a closer rival to us than many people here were trying to claim before.

[Silent Storm]

Yeah, Vanja was on the money with his prediction yesterday.

Leclerc indeed tried to extend the first stint as much as possible. Sainz couldn't do it, as he was losing around 1s per lap in the last part of the stint.

Without the SC Leclerc would have kept going on as he made 3 consecutive laptimes within 0.1s (around 42.0) to pull off the one-stop strategy. Of course, they expected a much better performance with the hard tyres.

Are you talking about lap 13-15?

18-19-20

I believe Lando could have done the same but he lost 6 tenths in last sector because Max overtook him.
In my view Mclaren were similar on degradation this race compared to Ferrari. 1st stint was cut short but lap 32 onwards gave us a better picture of degradation. Lando stepped into 1min40' on lap 53 while the same for Charles was from lap 45.

[LM10]

Vanja, thank you for being one of the very few here making sense. This thread is ridiculous at times - everything is either black or white. It only takes one race for all to reset their minds and call everything a disaster.

Seems like some people here like to ignore obvious factors like how the SF-24 is built und works. It's not a surprise anymore that cold weather makes the car struggle and it should also not be a surprise that most of the races in the calendar will have hot weather with high track temps where Ferrari in comparison to others will excel. It's happened this year already when Ferrari had best deg of the field, even better than RBR, as you pointed out.

Instead of thinking about it and being happy that even in such conditions the team maximized points and scored as many points as McLaren they go on a hating spree and talk about an awful weekend or that there is a lot lot lot (times 100) of work to do.

First races with a brand new concept for Ferrari, no upgrades yet and still clear number two in the constructor's standings with less gap to Red Bull than to McLaren behind. Where is the problem?

Thankyou, another sensible human being on here! What people fail to remember is very few if any cars have ever been as consistent as the RBRs and now we expect to suddenly match this level of consistency.

...
What we need to be mindful of is MB. Look how they struggle season after season. They were considered the gold standard just 3 seasons ago. Put things into perspective

Well, it's not like the competition has any choice if they want to win, is it? Red Bull show that it's possible to have a car that works in all conditions for two season straight, all while having the least wind tunnel time allocation of any team.

My personal annoyance stems from the fact that the team has brought two minor upgrades, yet seems to go backwards compared to MCL who brought none. With them bringing upgrades in Miami, Ferrari are practically guaranteed to finish 5-6 at best.

There we have it again. An example of totally ignoring any factors whatsoever. Black and white “analysis”.

For the first time this season Ferrari was not faster than McLaren in the race while in all the the other races they comfortably were. Instead of looking at the full picture and factor in the coldest temps of the season in China, you claim that Ferrari has gone backwards compared to Mclaren.

Also, Ferrari has basically brought no upgrades either…