Lotus E20 VD

[N12ck]

Eh maube you should link that "hole" then so we all can see ??

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[Huntresa]

Eh maube you should link that "hole" then so we all can see ??

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Yes but you just said you found the hole and then i question how, cause if you cant produce an image of it then how can we know you found a hole?

[bhall]

The problem with your workable theory is that the green pipes depicted in your diagram don't exist in reality. It's also about 66%, give or take, more complicated than it needs to be.

[Huntresa]

No pic on the page before shows the endplate holes you say exist.

[N12ck]

Eh maube you should link that "hole" then so we all can see ??

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Yes but you just said you found the hole and then i question how, cause if you cant produce an image of it then how can we know you found a hole?

I already had on the previous page


The endplates, no-one has had an image of the DRS endplates yet, so it is purely speculation if there is a fluidic switch, even if it doesnt have the fluidic switch the Passive system theory works in theory,

[bhall]

That's a cutout I made of the duct. It's not the end plate.

[N12ck]

That's a cutout I made of the duct. It's not the end plate.

yes the outlet for the stalling of the wing, as i said, the endplates inlets are purely speculation with no images of DRS open on the Lotus with this system

[Huntresa]

That's a cutout I made of the duct. It's not the end plate.

yes the outlet for the stalling of the wing, as i said, the endplates inlets are purely speculation with no images of DRS open on the Lotus with this system

Yeah but we thought you meant the endplate holes, those slits in the pylon or w/e was linked like last week for the first time, when ppl started saying it was stalling the wing.

[turbof1]

The back end of the DDRS pipe has a peticular shape. Do you guys think it produces some downforce on its own, something like a money seat?

You can't have bodywork in front of the rear wing higher than 75cm (that's 15cm above the sidepods). So they can only connect it to the wing in between the endplates.

I think you misinterpreted the question. I was not asking if they could plant a monkey seat on top of the pipe; I am asking if the curved edges of the pipe could produce downforce, like a monkeyseat.

[bhall]

yes the outlet for the stalling of the wing, as i said, the endplates inlets are purely speculation with no images of DRS open on the Lotus with this system

That's the 66% part, give or take, I said was unnecessary. If you have a duct that is fed directly from airbox scoops, why route anything having to do with them through the end plates and the beam wing? To really activate something that's already been pressure-activated?

[N12ck]

That's a cutout I made of the duct. It's not the end plate.

yes the outlet for the stalling of the wing, as i said, the endplates inlets are purely speculation with no images of DRS open on the Lotus with this system

Yeah but we thought you meant the endplate holes, those slits in the pylon or w/e was linked like last week for the first time, when ppl started saying it was stalling the wing.

ohh no problem, I just seen the holes, and used the information we have been given to come up with a system which should work in theory, practically that is to be seen yet, we will find out in the coming weeks I suspect whether I am anywhere near,

even if it doesnt have a DRS coupling, then the passive system as I suggested for when it is inactive would work,

I believe it would work effectively my theory, because it would work by pressure, and blowing more air out of the Beam wing hole from the DRS switchn would create more blockage sending more air up the Periscope ducting to blow the wing even more, it would still work passively aswell

[bhall]

I think you misinterpreted the question. I was not asking if they could plant a monkey seat on top of the pipe; I am asking if the curved edges of the pipe could produce downforce, like a monkeyseat.

No. A monkeyseat would completely reverse the effects of the duct slit, because a monkeyseat's job is to help keep flow attached to the bottom of the wing.

[N12ck]

I think you misinterpreted the question. I was not asking if they could plant a monkey seat on top of the pipe; I am asking if the curved edges of the pipe could produce downforce, like a monkeyseat.

No. A monkeyseat would completely reverse the effects of the duct slit, because a monkeyseat's job is to help keep flow attached to the bottom of the wing.

I think my theory is the best one we have at the moment, until more clarity comes through, what made me rethink when Eric Boullier said he would run it in Monza

[bhall]

Look at the W03 DRS flap in comparison. It has an extra fence on the outside to cover and uncover the ducts in the end plate.

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It also lacks the open section between the wing and the end plates that is found on the E20.

So, where can this phantom duct possibly exist?

[superdread]

I think you misinterpreted the question. I was not asking if they could plant a monkey seat on top of the pipe; I am asking if the curved edges of the pipe could produce downforce, like a monkeyseat.

No. A monkeyseat would completely reverse the effects of the duct slit, because a monkeyseat's job is to help keep flow attached to the bottom of the wing.

That certainly depends on the position of it. If they broaden the pylon at the round section, they would create downforce atht the expense of effectivly blocking the flow over it. And another way of decreasing the rear wing downforce was found.

There is reason they make the pylon as low-drag as possible, it would be straight from the airbox, if not for the aformentioned rule for bodywork in front of the rear wing.