2013 Canadian GP - Montreal

[nash929]

Very very sad news

Martin Brundle even mentioned that they could leave Esteban's car at that point since it wasn't really in a precarious position

[fritticaldi]

Harsh words from Webber towards VDG, calling the Dutchman a pay driver with no mirrors.

[bdr529]

It appears the man has died from his injuries. Very sad story.

Well this is a sad thing to hear right now may he rest in peace and his family are taken care of.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/108014

Thank you for posting that link Hail22

It's very sad to hear that someone has lost their life while volunteering their time to the sport we love.
My prayers go out to his family and those marshals that were there.

[maranello55]

Whoever approved the 25 pts for a gp winner is a fool.

Rubbish. 25 for a win makes no difference, because what goes around comes around. 25 for a win means it's easier to pull a big gap, but also easy to reel it back. Try dividing the points system by 2.5:

25 == 10
18 == 7.2
15 == 6
12 == 4.8
10 == 4
8 == 3.2
6 == 2.4
4 == 1.6
2 == 0.8
1 == 0.4

Now compare that to 2009:

10 == 10 (no change)
8 == 7.2 (10% decrease)
6 == 6 (no change)
5 == 4.8 (4% decrease)
4 == 4 (no change)
3 == 3.2 (6.67% increase)
2 == 2.4 (20% increase)
1 == 1.6 (60% increase)

Other than points for P9 and P10, the only key differences are "more points" for P7 and P8

ill do a re-calculation of 2010-2012 championship and show u the difference it wud make if we used the old point system. stay tune.

[maranello55]

Some saw Vettel using the DRS when running alone last night. Can anyone confirm this?

btw, Im not a Vettel hater. Just curious.

[raymondu999]

Whoever approved the 25 pts for a gp winner is a fool.

Rubbish. 25 for a win makes no difference, because what goes around comes around. 25 for a win means it's easier to pull a big gap, but also easy to reel it back. Try dividing the points system by 2.5:

25 == 10
18 == 7.2
15 == 6
12 == 4.8
10 == 4
8 == 3.2
6 == 2.4
4 == 1.6
2 == 0.8
1 == 0.4

Now compare that to 2009:

10 == 10 (no change)
8 == 7.2 (10% decrease)
6 == 6 (no change)
5 == 4.8 (4% decrease)
4 == 4 (no change)
3 == 3.2 (6.67% increase)
2 == 2.4 (20% increase)
1 == 1.6 (60% increase)

Other than points for P9 and P10, the only key differences are "more points" for P7 and P8

ill do a re-calculation of 2010-2012 championship and show u the difference it wud make if we used the old point system. stay tune.

Don't bother. We get the same champion every year. I know, because I was the one doing the 2010 and 2011 calculations. Search for them if you don't believe me. Someone else did the 2012 calculations, not me

[raymondu999]

Actually I DID do 2012. Lol.

So 2012;

Brazil. Vettel takes it by ONE point

Vettel – 115
Alonso – 114
Raikkonen – 82
Hamilton – 76
Button – 76
Webber – 71
Massa – 47
Grosjean – 37
Rosberg – 36
Perez – 26
Kobayashi – 21
Hulkenberg – 19
Schumacher – 17
Maldonado – 16
di Resta – 15
Senna – 8
Vergne – 4

2010

Vettel 104
Alonso 101
Lewis 100
Webber 97
Jenson 87
Felipe 57
Rosberg 55
Kubica 52
Schumacher 25
Sutil 15
Barrichello 15
Kobayashi 9
Petrov 9
Hulkenberg 6
Liuzzi 5
DelaRosa 2
Heidfeld 1 1
Buemi 1
Alguersuari 0

Can't seem to find 2011 at the moment. Will try later.

[nash929]

Some saw Vettel using the DRS when running alone last night. Can anyone confirm this?

btw, Im not a Vettel hater. Just curious.

Yep, saw that too. But nothing illegal there. He was about to lap a backmarker at that time, and got into the DRS detection zone, so when that backmarker (can't remember who) went into the pits, Vettel still had DRS available to him. Almost everyone who has that opportunity utilize it.

[maranello55]

Actually I DID do 2012. Lol.

So 2012;

Brazil. Vettel takes it by ONE point

Vettel – 115
Alonso – 114
Raikkonen – 82
Hamilton – 76
Button – 76
Webber – 71
Massa – 47
Grosjean – 37
Rosberg – 36
Perez – 26
Kobayashi – 21
Hulkenberg – 19
Schumacher – 17
Maldonado – 16
di Resta – 15
Senna – 8
Vergne – 4

2010

Vettel 104
Alonso 101
Lewis 100
Webber 97
Jenson 87
Felipe 57
Rosberg 55
Kubica 52
Schumacher 25
Sutil 15
Barrichello 15
Kobayashi 9
Petrov 9
Hulkenberg 6
Liuzzi 5
DelaRosa 2
Heidfeld 1 1
Buemi 1
Alguersuari 0

Can't seem to find 2011 at the moment. Will try later.

Same champion i see. But the psychological thing wud be less stressful if they numerically see the gap not as much as when using the new point system i think.

Why the need of the new point system anyways?

[maranello55]

And the crowd booing Vettel during podium interview?

[raymondu999]

Same champion i see.

Were you expecting them to be different?

But the psychological thing wud be less stressful if they numerically see the gap not as much as when using the new point system i think.

Possibly for the moment. But I'm willing to wager that after a few years it will seem natural.

Why the need of the new point system anyways?

This new point system was borne out of the need of rewarding more places (P9 & P10) with points, and the unwillingness to have decimal points.

[stefan_]

I don't give a damn about what happened in the race anymore. Very sad to wake up and read about the marshall - people like him are really passionate for the sport and ready to work a lot (a lot!) for free and risk their lives in order to make racing safer for the guys in the cars.

[komninosm]

I don't give a damn about what happened in the race anymore. Very sad to wake up and read about the marshall - people like him are really passionate for the sport and ready to work a lot (a lot!) for free and risk their lives in order to make racing safer for the guys in the cars.

Bummer. I didn't even know they worked for free. Seeing the pictures made me even sadder.

[iotar__]

Sutil's penalty was bullshit. He didn't try to prevent the pass, he was driving his own race, I've seen worse ones not penalized, he's right talking about double standards. Being in front of lapping car is not the same as blocking, it's up to the driver behind to make the pass, it's up to driver in front to let be passed. Here it was at worst borderline.

For some teams and drivers stewards are trigger happy, it's as Red Bull put it F1 is like fake wrestling. Consistency of stewarding should be a subject of discussion not constant tyres yapping.

I agree there is inconsistency, but clearly there was no attempt to pull aside and let Hamilton through. The rules are clear on that: you are allowed to ignore the flags 2 times, at the 3d one you are forced to slow down and let the ones behind go through. The blue flags are there to stop you from minding your own race and minding the race of the ones behind you.

Although I completely agree with you the stewards failed to correctly apply the rules in similar situations in the past, there is no reason to criticise them when they do apply them correctly.

I don't have strong enough opinion to argue long about it. Watching the race I didn't see any pass attempts and any blocking, Sutil was driving quite fast Force India at his own speed not Caterham. Was Hamilton blocking Vettel in Germany last season? Blocking meaning preventing to go faster, of course he was. Did he have to actively get out the way? It was different (speed) but same principals should apply. I felt it didn't affect anything (results, Ham's race) that much to warrant drive-through. Maybe Sutil was significantly slower, I can't be bothered to check lap times, fine then.

Again DRS was too easy but since it's not on the agenda of marketing driven drink company, audience and journalist have no one to parrot. No one to tell them what they think and subject doesn't exists. The other problem: Mercedes test was on the agenda, you can't confuse public with TWO subjects at the same time, their brains might explode.

Vettel, who cared so much about racing, was "enjoying every lap" of tyres nursing at 95%, and not having any competition or having to do any kind of racing. Still managed to went off track. He enjoyed every second of tyre related RB advantage in qualifying and in the race. Hypocrisy and care for safety, give me a break. And you wonder why people boo him.

[SectorOne]

This new point system was borne out of the need of rewarding more places (P9 & P10) with points, and the unwillingness to have decimal points.

And to give an incentive to attack rather then bag points as it´s far more lucrative trying to get first place if it´s a 7 point difference between first and second.