Red Bull RB10 Renault

[acosmichippo]

Even if they aren't in F1 at the moment, they probably still have to abide by rules and procedures to maintain their entry in 2015. I'm sure there's thousands of pages of paperwork dictating what they can and can't do.

[tinvek]

According to Rob White, Renault is in serious troubles. For example the Dyno Tests don't correspond well to the trackside. Turbo controll systems problems and so on.
http://adamcooperf1.com/2014/01/31/rob- ... nce-level/

I'll bet Honda will be sure to be testing their engine in a car this year (like Ferrari did last year).
What old F1 cars are allowed for this kind of test?
Or maybe use an Indy car which already is setup for a Honda turbo V6.

already talk that they've installed an engine in a P2 , not exactly difficult given who owns HPD

[Huntresa]

Even if they aren't in F1 at the moment, they probably still have to abide by rules and procedures to maintain their entry in 2015. I'm sure there's thousands of pages of paperwork dictating what they can and can't do.

One thing that i sure is that Honda skips the performance freeze on tje engines that will start at end of february.

[atanatizante]

1. Could someone do some comparative pictures between all cars RW AoA coz I think they have a small wing this year too
2. Why they and Merc retained the vane in front of the rear tyre once is not allowed anymore to blow the diffuser?
3. Maybe Newey faced the reality and has to admit that nowadays F1 is an engine formula and you have to draw a car around the engine rather than aero?

[wesley123]

1. Could someone do some comparative pictures between all cars RW AoA coz I think they have a small wing this year too

The wing box has been made smaller

2. Why they and Merc retained the vane in front of the rear tyre once is not allowed anymore to blow the diffuser?

Because it shields the floor from interactions from the tire.

3. Maybe Newey faced the reality and has to admit that nowadays F1 is an engine formula and you have to draw a car around the engine rather than aero?

Formula 1 an engine formula? Yeah right. It's still as aero dependent as it has been in previous years.

[ringo]

The car is fine in normal operation.
What they are doing is going beyond the limits now, with something innovative, which we aren't aware of at the moment. When that is sorted it could be a silver bullet for them this year in winning the championship.
I would not say that Renault is unprepared, too much work has gone in for that to be the case. Redbull is the works team and i'm sure Renault have done simmulations with the Rb10 body work in worst case scenarios.
It's easier to believe they are doing something funky under the skin that should give them a performance edge, similar to how McLaren were trying the octopus exhaust and it was to ambitious to work.
If all fails, they'll just go back to the expected program.

According to Rob White, Renault is in serious troubles. For example the Dyno Tests don't correspond well to the trackside. Turbo controll systems problems and so on.
http://adamcooperf1.com/2014/01/31/rob- ... nce-level/

They just have to make a few mechanical changes.
Their major setback is that after making those mechanica changes to reduce the heat, or improve the boost control and engine operation, they will have to remap and reprogram for those mechanical changes, as the Power Unit will be slightly different. What they will do in the interim is slap dash a few algorithyms, programs etc. that will allow the Unit to at least do a race distance, however they will have to take time to do fine tuning and hone the modificiations.
I don't think they will be short on horspeower with this setback. They will be short on fuel efficiency and drivability.
This shortcoming will slowly disappear as Renault retune their power unit's controll systems.
So i don't think they are in major trouble. It's just that they wont fulfill the potential that they had orginally intended at the start of the season. They may have been too ambitious with their MGUH technology, and tried to extract to much fuel efficiency, while not realizing that the engine would be compromised under transient loads.
Who knows maybe they have the best engine in theory, and their setback would only put them on the level of the other two engine makers? And when they get it sorted out, it could put them at the front of the pack.

[bill shoe]

The Renault engine is lousy, the RB10 is extra-lousy, and Adrian Newey is going "back to the drawing board". Should we start a new thread for "Speculation on RB10-B"?

[NathanOlder]

If that's entirely the case, why cant Mercedes sell one of their engines to a 3rd party, As well the W05 they have just finished testing with and then pay for the 3rd party to test it for 3 weeks in Qatar and send all the info back to Brackley. I know its not int he spirit of the rules, but that does'nt mean a thing anymore.

Mercedes is already on F1. It is not the same for Honda.

I know that, so if Mercedes were generous enough to give away a curre F1 car, who ever they gave it to wouldnt be allowed to fire it up?

[Huntresa]

If that's entirely the case, why cant Mercedes sell one of their engines to a 3rd party, As well the W05 they have just finished testing with and then pay for the 3rd party to test it for 3 weeks in Qatar and send all the info back to Brackley. I know its not int he spirit of the rules, but that does'nt mean a thing anymore.

Mercedes is already on F1. It is not the same for Honda.

I know that, so if Mercedes were generous enough to give away a curre F1 car, who ever they gave it to wouldnt be allowed to fire it up?

Well sell, make or put together, i dont think it matters but i mean no one is stopping me you and Honda from buying or even making their own F1 car with or without Mclarens help. Its not like there is a shortage of F1 cars out there.

[henra]

The Renault engine is lousy, the RB10 is extra-lousy, and Adrian Newey is going "back to the drawing board". Should we start a new thread for "Speculation on RB10-B"?

Could you enlighten us as to what would differentiate your RB-10B from the existing one?
Could you enlighten us what exactly is wrong with the Renault engine?
It seems you know more than the rest here.
Or was it sarcasm?

It's really hilarious to see some on here panicking.
Renault seem to have a problem with their engine. They are working on it. Seems it will not be a one step fix but some iterations.
Red Bull seem to have an additional problem regarding heat spots.
They are working on it. Hint: Adrian Newey is surely back to the drawing board in order not just to make a bubble or a vent in a location where it hurts aerodynamically but probably instead to rearrange crap so that it hurts aerodynamics as little as possible. Even Merc who had a rather smooth Test had some sidepods with signifcantly bigger heat exhausts during the later stages of the Test. They didn't seem to switch back to the smaller ones. You can expect lots of changes in that area over the season for most if not all Teams.
Will RB have a more difficult start into the season and more Night Shifts than some other Teams: Probably yes.
Will heaven fall?
Chances are: No.

[zonk]

A quick reminder that the car threads are a haven for exploring the actual features of the actual car.

We have other threads for team & FANBOY conversations.

[shelly]

In my opinion the bodywork seen in jerez is too basic to be more than just a launch spec - but something has gone wrong.
SO the barhein spec will be more extreme, but with the needed mods for reliability

[henra]

In my opinion the bodywork seen in jerez is too basic to be more than just a launch spec - but something has gone wrong.
SO the barhein spec will be more extreme, but with the needed mods for reliability

Since the problem appeared to be mainly localised hot spots I expect the modifications to be primarily internal re-arrangemeent of components plus modification of internal airflow. Therefore we might not see too much of the fixes for their current problems at least not with the sidepods on.
Maybe somewhat bigger hot air exhausts, they are very small at the moment compared to most others.

[Maxion]

In my opinion the bodywork seen in jerez is too basic to be more than just a launch spec - but something has gone wrong.
SO the barhein spec will be more extreme, but with the needed mods for reliability

I doubt it. Red Bull have admitted to being late in development of the RB10 because they concentrated their efforts on last years car rather than the development of this years model. Depending on how serious their cooling issues are I don't think we'll see too many changes made to Bahrain, certainly not as much as the rumored ferrari changes.

[CHT]

In my opinion the bodywork seen in jerez is too basic to be more than just a launch spec - but something has gone wrong.
SO the barhein spec will be more extreme, but with the needed mods for reliability

I doubt it. Red Bull have admitted to being late in development of the RB10 because they concentrated their efforts on last years car rather than the development of this years model. Depending on how serious their cooling issues are I don't think we'll see too many changes made to Bahrain, certainly not as much as the rumored ferrari changes.

RBR has got good track record in the development race. IIRC last year this time, they were also facing some issue with their exhaust system and they end up perfecting it and winning the championship

I think the only thing that can really bring the team down will be Renault engine and lets hope it doesnt happen.