2016 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, Apr 15 - 17

[FrukostScones]

found on autosports forums:


on VET onboard you can follow KVY 's line too...

[Redragon]

Vettel was agressive the rest of the race after turn 1, passing two cars on the way to the pitlane and trying kind of same movement on Bottas few laps later, making contact and damaging his front wing. So I don't know what he is complaining about to Kvyat. I guess he is a bit scared that the main boss was there and he made contact with his own team matte damaging the chances of having the two ferraris on the podium, one of the few places Ferrari can do it this year for the look of it. Because despite promising great things for this year, the cockyness of marchionne and so many changes on the red team, they are unable to be up there. So disapointment it is starting to show off.

[GrizzleBoy]

found on autosports forums:
http://i.imgur.com/pJGqwbf.jpg

on VET onboard you can follow KVY 's line too...

There was more than-more than enough space for them all to,fit.

Kimi effed up the braking. His mistake. Instead of using the half a tracks width to his left decided to cut back across the bow of his team mates car. His mistake.

Seb tracked with Kimi out wide and left a gap for,a,car to pass both of them. His mistake.

Kvyat saw the space and took it. How is what line Kimi is going to take his responsibility? How is sebs reaction to being squeezed his responsibility? The only persons who made dramatic direction changes were seb and kimi. Kvyat just drove into fresh air both Ferraris created with theirmown mistakes. Also known as, racing?

[Jolle]

found on autosports forums:
http://i.imgur.com/pJGqwbf.jpg

on VET onboard you can follow KVY 's line too...

On this shot you could almost say that KVY was in front of VET with more then half his car and that RAI gave VET no room... 3 cars wide on the apex is always a risk, especially if one of the drivers (RAI) thought it was just two.

By the way, VET overtaking HUL and SAI on the pit entry, wasn't that overtaking under SC?

[iotar__]

On this shot you could almost say that KVY was in front of VET with more then half his car and that RAI gave VET no room... 3 cars wide on the apex is always a risk, especially if one of the drivers (RAI) thought it was just two.

What room? He was the one in front taking the corner in a normal way, do you expect him to just give up a position because Vettel changed his line? Speed matters too.

After watching replays: Vettel - Raikkonen collision 100% Vettel's fault, I don't think he can even slightly blame Kvyat. Speculative: I think Kvyat and Raikkonen would have collided anyway so Kvyat going quickly outside was a bit lucky Vettel got his team mate first .

[dans79]

I applaud Kvyat for having the balls to take him on, and Sebastian's comments before the podium were nothing more than bullying tactics, and another example of him not taking responsibility for his own mistakes.

Lol, No it It is Vettel Dealing with a self absorbed little Millennial the only way they seem to understand.

[giantfan10]

Vettel was agressive the rest of the race after turn 1, passing two cars on the way to the pitlane and trying kind of same movement on Bottas few laps later, making contact and damaging his front wing. So I don't know what he is complaining about to Kvyat. I guess he is a bit scared that the main boss was there and he made contact with his own team matte damaging the chances of having the two ferraris on the podium, one of the few places Ferrari can do it this year for the look of it. Because despite promising great things for this year, the cockyness of marchionne and so many changes on the red team, they are unable to be up there. So disapointment it is starting to show off.

SMH really? you couldnt come up with a better idea?

[komninosm]

Time and time again we see races where the front wings are damaged and drivers then complain the car is undrivable. Why not just get rid of front wings and allow the drivers to drive these difficult to drive cars?

Re the qualifying.
I think that a proposal where there is no qualifying but the grid is the reverse of the last race finish would work well.
It would provide more interest and overtaking.

No front wing at all? Really? Are you trolling?

Last race result reverse order grid would work well...

[jknights]

Time and time again we see races where the front wings are damaged and drivers then complain the car is undrivable. Why not just get rid of front wings and allow the drivers to drive these difficult to drive cars?

Re the qualifying.
I think that a proposal where there is no qualifying but the grid is the reverse of the last race finish would work well.
It would provide more interest and overtaking.

No front wing at all? Really? Are you trolling?

Last race result reverse order grid would work well...

No, I know that no front wing would be unacceptable as it would be seen as retrogressive.
But it did used to happen.
http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/62 ... _senna.jpg


The current front wings are very sensitive and seem to be continually being damaged and then we get reports of xyz was compromised by the front wing damage. I just want to see good side by side racing.
2017 regulation changes may bring some interesting changes but I dont know if the front wings will be more/less prone to damage,

I would be interested in a statistic of the 'number of instances of front wing damaged/car/race'.

[jknights]

found on autosports forums:
http://i.imgur.com/pJGqwbf.jpg

on VET onboard you can follow KVY 's line too...

On this shot you could almost say that KVY was in front of VET with more then half his car and that RAI gave VET no room... 3 cars wide on the apex is always a risk, especially if one of the drivers (RAI) thought it was just two.

By the way, VET overtaking HUL and SAI on the pit entry, wasn't that overtaking under SC?

That angle is very telling.
One or other Ferrari should have given way to the other out of common sense. However the data on braking, etc also is required.
As a Ferrari supporter I am disappointed that one/both cars are compromised but I cant see how it is Kvyatt is at fault.
I will let the F1 Stewards decide as they have more data and more qualified than me to decide.

[giantfan10]

So what exactly was Mercedes trying to accomplish with Hamiltons pit stops during the safety car? looked like a lot of second guessing to me.

[jknights]

So what exactly was Mercedes trying to accomplish with Hamiltons pit stops during the safety car? looked like a lot of second guessing to me.

I wish I knew.

Maybe it is time for all contact with the pits to be cut and drivers drive by the seat of their pants like in the Senna days.
Some will think that too retrogressive but then we swill ee real total driver skills. However the downside is that cutting edge technology will also not be deployed as soon.
Difficult call.

[GoodYearGrip]

Hello Lads,

My first post here on F1technical. Been watching F1 for about 40 years now, first race I saw was when I was about 7 years old (live) in Canada at Mosport. Love the sport can't get enough, actually.
Just wanted to give a tip of the hat to Red Bull, Dani Kvyat, and Dani Ricciardio! Car's looking good. =D>

Kvyat is the star of the race in my books, blasting past Vettel into the first corner, charging and throwing the car around as James Hunt would say. Nothing happened between Vettel and him, so I can't understand the rant against Dani- after all, this is F1 not a macramé competion- racing is the game...However, I can understand the Sergio was in China and that Seb needs to shift the blame for his spearing of Kimi to someone else! Nothing new here, this is Vettel's character, blame others for his defecits and he wants to avoid internal strife at Ferrari. Vettel needs Kimi more than Kimi needs Vettel.

Lastly, I wonder where the good man Lewis will end up next year, it seems to me that he is already the sacrificial driver at Mercedes! Maybe Red Bull or in red at Ferrari. I would like to know if Seb has a veto-driver option in his contract...

Well lads, thanks for allowing me the two cents. Look forward to the comments and remarks

[dans79]

So what exactly was Mercedes trying to accomplish with Hamiltons pit stops during the safety car? looked like a lot of second guessing to me.

Making sure he used all the compounds, and trying to deal/correct for his loss of down-force because if the floor damage!

[nokivasara]

found on autosports forums:
http://i.imgur.com/pJGqwbf.jpg

on VET onboard you can follow KVY 's line too...

Kvyat needs to take that line to make the next corner, it's still not his fault that Vettel, who was behind him, hit Kimi.