2020 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, September 4 - 6

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Wass85 wrote:
05 Sep 2020, 16:38
Wass85 wrote:
05 Sep 2020, 16:34
NathanOlder wrote:
05 Sep 2020, 16:28


I dont believe Lewis benefitted from a tow. If he wanted an advantage, he would have been much closer. I think Merc knew they were well out front , so just said to their drivers, go out first, no tow, 2nd driver drops far enough back.
Bottas insinuated that he did as did Button.

Anyway it shouldn't have been this close in the end, Lewis had bags of pace in hand but had a poor (conservative) S3.
Just had a quick look, it was about 9 seconds. A tow from 9 seconds ?!? really ?
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NathanOlder wrote:
05 Sep 2020, 16:45
Wass85 wrote:
05 Sep 2020, 16:38
Wass85 wrote:
05 Sep 2020, 16:34


Bottas insinuated that he did as did Button.

Anyway it shouldn't have been this close in the end, Lewis had bags of pace in hand but had a poor (conservative) S3.
Just had a quick look, it was about 9 seconds. A tow from 9 seconds ?!? really ?
That I don't know?

Hamilton was two tenths up on Bottas going in to the last sector, he had the pace today to make it comfortable.

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NathanOlder wrote:
05 Sep 2020, 16:45
Wass85 wrote:
05 Sep 2020, 16:38
Wass85 wrote:
05 Sep 2020, 16:34


Bottas insinuated that he did as did Button.

Anyway it shouldn't have been this close in the end, Lewis had bags of pace in hand but had a poor (conservative) S3.
Just had a quick look, it was about 9 seconds. A tow from 9 seconds ?!? really ?
The Merc would need magical aero, to create a tow at that distance!
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Maybe he was just too cautious to not leave the track knowing he was up by a lot?

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MtthsMlw wrote:
05 Sep 2020, 16:32
Merc still used Strat 2 today. I assume they changed its parameters though.
Do you have any evidence for this, because they would have to run it all through the race.
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zibby43 wrote:
05 Sep 2020, 16:35
https://twitter.com/vetteleclerc/status ... 88099?s=21

Wolff went on to say that they didn’t push the engine today so they could use more power in the race tomorrow.
Well that's the big question isnt it? If McLaren and Racing Point pushed their engines... Then even tho they have Sainz and Perez in the 2nd row they could end up below P5 in race struggling to finish. With Redbull and Renault Fighting for P3, P4, & P5....
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RZS10 wrote:
05 Sep 2020, 16:55
Maybe he was just too cautious to not leave the track knowing he was up by a lot?
Sky pointed out exactly that. Bottas went far wider in parabolica.

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dans79 wrote:
05 Sep 2020, 16:52
NathanOlder wrote:
05 Sep 2020, 16:45
Wass85 wrote:
05 Sep 2020, 16:38
Just had a quick look, it was about 9 seconds. A tow from 9 seconds ?!? really ?
The Merc would need magical aero, to create a tow at that distance!
exactly, Both drivers had no tow, it was the fair way to do it, as here a tow would have guarenteed a pole position for one of them, and then they would have ended up in the silly games the others were involved in. If Bottas was to get the tow from Lewis, Lewis would then have to look for a tow elsewhere to have a chance, then they get in all kinds of mess. So with a pace advantage, Toto told them, no tow today, go out early and have equal chance with no risk of getting caught in games at the entry to parabolica.
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RZS10 wrote:
05 Sep 2020, 16:55
Maybe he was just too cautious to not leave the track knowing he was up by a lot?
Nearly cost him pole though, he was on for a mid 18.

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nevill3 wrote:
05 Sep 2020, 16:58
MtthsMlw wrote:
05 Sep 2020, 16:32
Merc still used Strat 2 today. I assume they changed its parameters though.
Do you have any evidence for this, because they would have to run it all through the race.
Bottas was told on his first outlap in Q1 to use Strat 2.

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MtthsMlw wrote:
05 Sep 2020, 17:01
nevill3 wrote:
05 Sep 2020, 16:58
MtthsMlw wrote:
05 Sep 2020, 16:32
Merc still used Strat 2 today. I assume they changed its parameters though.
Do you have any evidence for this, because they would have to run it all through the race.
Bottas was told on his first outlap in Q1 to use Strat 2.
Then it’s clearly just a reuse of the name.

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dans79 wrote:
05 Sep 2020, 16:52
NathanOlder wrote:
05 Sep 2020, 16:45
Wass85 wrote:
05 Sep 2020, 16:38
Just had a quick look, it was about 9 seconds. A tow from 9 seconds ?!? really ?
The Merc would need magical aero, to create a tow at that distance!
Which makes it all the more strange then why they didn't give a tow to one of their drivers when all other teams were fighting for one.

I suppose having the best car in the field gives them that luxury.

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Tanabe is going to run the PU conservatively and Asaki will evaluate the damage after the race. Knowing Honda, they probably are running the first PU since they won't waste the newer PU on testing the single lap settings. AT might be running the newer PUs seeing that Gasly and Kvyat are now closer to q3 than before. Since all 4 need to run the same settings, Tanabe has to balance the reliability and race pace, it's not like they couldn't use higher modes, it's just that he doesn't yet know what kind of longevity that will leave for the PU until Sakura can evaluate it. It's still too early days for anyone to make definitive conclusion from one qualifying event.

The balance of car and pace will come from running on the medium and hard over the duration of the 2nd stint, and Max looked really good on the mediums.
Kvyat will have an advantageous strategy as well considering he had more pace but was hindered in Q2. There may be a two stop strategy in the cards depending on how long the softs last, safety car, and the track limits on turn 11 probably won't be an issue during the race. Rb16 has been skittish on low fuel weight too.
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Wass85 wrote:
05 Sep 2020, 17:00
RZS10 wrote:
05 Sep 2020, 16:55
Maybe he was just too cautious to not leave the track knowing he was up by a lot?
Nearly cost him pole though, he was on for a mid 18.
He lost 0.128 to bottas in S3, and he lost 0.075 from his previous attempt. No drama's, maybe he pushed a little harder in S1 and 2, and didnt quite have the rears at the end of the lap. Bottas went the other way. Turns out Lewis was right. =D>
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NathanOlder wrote:
05 Sep 2020, 16:59
dans79 wrote:
05 Sep 2020, 16:52
NathanOlder wrote:
05 Sep 2020, 16:45


Just had a quick look, it was about 9 seconds. A tow from 9 seconds ?!? really ?
The Merc would need magical aero, to create a tow at that distance!
exactly, Both drivers had no tow, it was the fair way to do it, as here a tow would have guarenteed a pole position for one of them, and then they would have ended up in the silly games the others were involved in. If Bottas was to get the tow from Lewis, Lewis would then have to look for a tow elsewhere to have a chance, then they get in all kinds of mess. So with a pace advantage, Toto told them, no tow today, go out early and have equal chance with no risk of getting caught in games at the entry to parabolica.
The likely scenario, easy to see why Bottas would chose to go first then.