The Japanese Grand Prix was a lengthy affair of waiting between the initial two laps and then the actual restart. After a big safety issue early on, 40 minutes of racing enabled Verstappen to seal an easy win as Perez finished second and Leclerc third.
they always come on track while the race is on. Otherwise there'd need to be a red flag for every 2nd DNF.
yes, I agree that waiting for another moment would have made sense today, but as it happened under SC, I also don't see a major issue.
Under SC, some cars may still be driving quickly though. It needs to be SC and fully bunched, which is why they had the situation of Pierre driving so quickly past itsearch wrote: ↑09 Oct 2022, 08:27yes, I agree that waiting for another moment would have made sense today, but as it happened under SC, I also don't see a major issue.
Main talking point today is that it needs cars which can drive in the wet, or otherwise races the day(s) after, like in Nascar. There's no point in having rain races when intermediate conditions are the most those cars can cope with.
What does that have to do with anything?
I think you can exaggerate it. Its not unusual under the SC! Thats even one of the reasons why the SC exists! To make it possible that cars can be recovered! And under the Safety Car it should be no problem. F1 used to do this with yellow flags only! for 64 years...untill Bianchi. After something like that happening can now react in two ways - say that even one incident is one incident to much and never again let such vehicles on track if there is a racing car moving. Or say - one incident in 64 years can just happen, there will never be total security, especially not in motorsport. Motorsport is dangerous.
Yes that may all be true but I do believe there is a technical solution, it just involves the appropriate investment. The solution to me is to separate dry and wet compounds and then go out to tender for dedicated wet tyres. You seem fairly certain no manufacturer would be interested, but I’m not so sure - it would be quite attractive.Hoffman900 wrote: ↑09 Oct 2022, 08:18214270 wrote: ↑09 Oct 2022, 08:11Why would that mandate apply to wet weather tyres though? Are they really that dumb that they’ve instructed ‘show’ tyres for wet compounds too? I just don’t think Pirelli have the expertise.Hoffman900 wrote: ↑09 Oct 2022, 07:45
There isn’t a manufacturer that wants to touch this ten foot pole. Pirelli is mandated to develop tires that work while also produce a show, meanwhile the FIA does their own thing and continues to make the cars heavier and heavier. The tires can’t be all things.
If you think this is a --- show, go take a look at Dunlop’s issues in Australia right now, or Goodyear’s problems in NASCAR.
The issue with the rain tires is two fold:
1) open wheels
2) the aero concept of the new cars.
The better a rain tire works, the more water it evacuates. The larger the surface area on the ground, the more water that needs to be evacuated. The more water evacuated, the more water in the air (and no fenders to keep it under the car or direct out the side) and the more water in the air + an aero concept that forces air up (to reduce dirty air at car level from a trailing car) means more water in the air, which equals worst visibility.
The best rain tire from a visibility standpoint is a slick. The better the rain tire = the worse the visibility, especially in an open wheel car.
That is stupid.Andi76 wrote: ↑09 Oct 2022, 08:34I think you can exaggerate it. Its not unusual under the SC! Thats even one of the reasons why the SC exists! To make it possible that cars can be recovered! And under the Safety Car it should be no problem. F1 used to do this with yellow flags only! for 64 years...untill Bianchi. After something like that happening can now react in two ways - say that even one incident is one incident to much and never again let such vehicles on track if there is a racing car moving. Or say - one incident in 64 years can just happen, there will never be total security, especially not in motorsport. Motorsport is dangerous.
If you go with the first one - you will have F1 like it is today. No race when there is more than a few drops of rain.
When you go with the second one - you get things like Barcelona 96, Monaco 97, but also one accident with someone dying every 60 years. To be honest - i prefer the second one.
Okay.Andi76 wrote: ↑09 Oct 2022, 08:34I think you can exaggerate it. Its not unusual under the SC! Thats even one of the reasons why the SC exists! To make it possible that cars can be recovered! And under the Safety Car it should be no problem. F1 used to do this with yellow flags only! for 64 years...untill Bianchi. After something like that happening can now react in two ways - say that even one incident is one incident to much and never again let such vehicles on track if there is a racing car moving. Or say - one incident in 64 years can just happen, there will never be total security, especially not in motorsport. Motorsport is dangerous.
If you go with the first one - you will have F1 like it is today. No race when there is more than a few drops of rain.
When you go with the second one - you get things like Barcelona 96, Monaco 97, but also one accident with someone dying every 60 years. To be honest - i prefer the second one.
